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Beyond A Craving
The Los Angeles Times ^ | April 25, 2005 | Charles Duhigg

Posted on 04/25/2005 1:30:11 AM PDT by MisterRepublican

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To: Smokin' Joe; SheLion
Expect other Bowdlerizations soon, John Wayne is a likely candidate, too.

Speaking of the lies of the anti-smokers that SheLion references in post 37.........the antis will attempt to pin the death of any "celebrity" who ever smoked on only that cause - even when it is well known the death had nothing to do with smoking. John Belushi comes to mind.

And of course there is always the "premature" deaths - regardless of age or cause - if the person, particularly a celebrity or other public figure, was a smoker - that was the cause of their premature death - George Burns for example.........

41 posted on 04/25/2005 9:19:01 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Mears
What a crock of baloney. Severe social stigma by who's standards?

Yep, they are still spewing and twisting words and numbers.  If it wasn't for us, they would go undisputed.  Got to stay on them every minute. 

42 posted on 04/25/2005 9:21:17 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Mears

There is actual wording in the Delaware smoking ban that part of the reason for it was to make smoking socially unacceptable - I don't remember the exact wording, but I do remember how I absolutely went nuts over it.


43 posted on 04/25/2005 9:21:36 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: MisterRepublican

Cigarettes: the real gateway drug.


44 posted on 04/25/2005 9:25:42 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (Jeb Pilate and the Republican Congress: Stood by while someone died)
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To: Gabz
Remember this one? And Big Fat Reiner is one of the biggest anti-smokers on earth today!

ROBBER REINER'S LIES
AND HOLLYWOOD MONEY
WON AGAIN!

   

(Talk about Big Fat!)
Situational ethics?

When Reiner put River Phoenix in his movie, Stand By Me, and had him
smoke throughout, Phoenix was only 14 years old. Guess it's okay to
have kids smoke when it's for Reiner's benefit.

45 posted on 04/25/2005 9:31:14 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion; Gabz

"The image of smokers is they aren't well educated, they don't care about themselves or others, they are less mentally stable," said Benz. "We don't want that image associated with our company, so we won't hire them."




The article get funnier and funnier. Poor FDR and Churchill are probably chuckling in their graves.

I especially liked the part thst said smokers have poor impulse control------I think I'll dash out and rob a bank this afternoon !!!!!!!!

The more they demonise me and the more they insult me the more I want to do some "in your face" smoking.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 9:32:12 AM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: Mears
The article get funnier and funnier. Poor FDR and Churchill are probably chuckling in their graves.

I especially liked the part thst said smokers have poor impulse control------I think I'll dash out and rob a bank this afternoon !!!!!!!!

The more they demonise me and the more they insult me the more I want to do some "in your face" smoking.

I know it! Can you think how crazy this might sound to kids?  They see on TV all the time the Do Not Smoke ads, then they go into the local drug store, supermarkets, etc and see tobacco products for sale.  It would make me scratch my head as well.

I grew up in the time of free advertising, and it sure wasn't the TV ads that forced me to smoke.  Actually, it was peer pressure.  The ads never bothered me.  I never gave them much thought.

As for alcohol, all the kids hear is "You can't drink until you are 21."  But drinking and driving kills more kids in the U.S. per year then smoking ever will at their age. 

47 posted on 04/25/2005 9:37:36 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Capriole
Some on this thread are criticizing the science the article reports, but I think these scientists are making a valuable contribution.

Are they? Or are they simply advancing a political agenda? That's the problem with any study on smoking. You have to automatically assume that the authors have an agenda.

This is unfortunately true of any health related issue. "Health", for some reason, attracts the nuts. It's something for them to obsess over; a fetish. I have no idea why this is true. I only know that it is true. Every time I've researched some health related subject, I have to sift out the loons. Even in serious papers, there's a certain level of this fetishism that creeps in; and that's usually related to smoking. I don't know how many times I've seen tobacco use listed as an aggravating factor for a given condition without any scientific explanation as to why. It's become mere boilerplate.

48 posted on 04/25/2005 9:44:03 AM PDT by Redcloak (But what do I know? I'm just a right-wing nut in his PJs whackin' on a keyboard..)
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To: MisterRepublican
"But in some respects we've raised as many new questions as we've answered." A sure sign of honest research! A complex issue doesn't usually fall to simplistic notions. [And with that, I'm off to have a smoke out on the porch.]
49 posted on 04/25/2005 9:44:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Redcloak

Don't forget the wonderful statistic that said that children of smokers are more likely to be delinquents than children of non-smokers.

That was my all-time favorite.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 9:51:02 AM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: SheLion

situational ethics is exactly right.


51 posted on 04/25/2005 9:51:42 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Mears; SheLion

Actually I'm all for the more insults and demonizatin..in fact the more the better.

The anti smokers are doing to smokers exactly what Howard Dean is doing to Republicans..........their totally irrational nonsense makes us good (not to mention sane)


52 posted on 04/25/2005 9:54:46 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Mears; SheLion

I'm off to buy some bulk tobacco before I kill somebody. I hope I can manage my impulse control until I get home...


53 posted on 04/25/2005 10:00:45 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SheLion; Mears

I personally believe there is a direct correlation in the increase of young people smoking and young people drinking to excess to the amount of anti tobacco and anti-alcohol advertising, indoctrination, and propaganda being shoved at the young people today.

And no one will convince me otherwise.


54 posted on 04/25/2005 10:00:57 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Redcloak
This is unfortunately true of any health related issue. "Health", for some reason, attracts the nuts. It's something for them to obsess over; a fetish. I have no idea why this is true. I only know that it is true. Every time I've researched some health related subject, I have to sift out the loons. Even in serious papers, there's a certain level of this fetishism that creeps in; and that's usually related to smoking. I don't know how many times I've seen tobacco use listed as an aggravating factor for a given condition without any scientific explanation as to why. It's become mere boilerplate.

You hit the nail right on the head.  I don't know how many times I've seen tobacco use listed as an aggravating factor for a given condition without any scientific explanation as to why. It's become mere boilerplate.

And the first question out of the mouths of the medical field when a person gets sick or dies:  'Do/did they smoke?'

What the heck!  Everything is blamed on smoking.  I believe when the medical field can't find an exact cause, it makes their job a lot easier when the person is a smoker.  'Oh, it's because you smoke!  That's it!'

Well, what about people who get sick that don't smoke?  "Oh, you have been around second hand smoke too long."

Think about it.

I don't know how any of us made it this long in life since we smoke, and/or been around second hand smoke. 

Let's all tip toe around on egg shells the rest of our lives. Ok?  heh!

55 posted on 04/25/2005 10:06:44 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
situational ethics is exactly right.

Yep. Mr. Big Fat. I can't stand him. Never could.

56 posted on 04/25/2005 10:07:45 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: metesky
I'm off to buy some bulk tobacco before I kill somebody. I hope I can manage my impulse control until I get home...

Good luck!


57 posted on 04/25/2005 10:09:03 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
propaganda being shoved at the young people today.

Yes. Trying to shape their minds. If they can control the thinking of kids about tobacco, what other things do 'they' have up their sleeves to use mind control over kids with?

58 posted on 04/25/2005 10:10:34 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: metesky

you hopeless addict, you..........

ROFLMBO!!!!!!!!!


59 posted on 04/25/2005 10:27:15 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: MisterRepublican
"The neurological effects of nicotine are still largely unknown, but results similar to Gilbert's were observed in tests on mice and chimpanzees. There is some evidence that nicotine affects neurotransmitters in a manner similar to antidepressants such as Prozac. Gilbert said scientists were trying to reconcile his results with profiles that indicate smokers are more at risk for depression and suicide."

Wow....it's amazing....the writer and Gilbert have really stumbled on something here. Oh wait...maybe not...guess they forgot about "Zyban," which is another name for the prescription anti-depressant "Wellbutrin." Of course anti-depressants work in some cases, nicotine is a stimulant and long time users will suffer with drawls without it. Caffeine is a stimulant as well, are all caffeine users diagnosed depression sufferers? Of course not, but as with nicotine and most other stimulants, it's natural for those suffering from depression to look to legal, and readily available pick me ups.

I smoked for 25 years up until recently and had tried a variety of ways to quit, patches, gum, cold turkey, nothing really worked. I decided to quit because smoking was having a significant effect on my health, and I viewed continued smoking as high stakes game of Russian roulette. I tried the Zyban (wellbutrin) at the behest of a Doctor friend. I hated the stuff, it made me feel anxious and made it hard to concentrate. It was a great incentive to quit smoking... so I could quit taking the Zyban pills.

60 posted on 04/25/2005 10:50:33 AM PDT by 101viking
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