Conservatives hail new pope,liberals prepare for the worst

pcusa.org ^ | April 20, 2005 | Religion News Service dispatches

[prairiebreeze]

There are some interesting items in this article that I hadn't seen in others I'd read. Off of PCUSA's website, is it any suprise the number of negative comments and paragraphs outnumber the supportive ones.

I especially liked this paragraph:

During his debut as a young theologian during the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), Ratzinger exhibited a relatively progressive streak; but he turned conservative in reaction to the student uprisings in the late 1960s.

Apparently Pope Benedict XVI recognized the destructiveness of looney liberalism early on.

Also, I don't recall a first lady from Ohio being excommunicated.

[anniegetyourgun]

PCUSA is a wayward left-leaning mainline.

But THIS is what caught my eye:

“Today, the princes of the Roman Catholic Church elected as pope a man whose record has been one of unrelenting, venomous hatred for gay people,” said Matt Foreman, a Catholic who is executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force."

Seems to me that if the Pope hated homosexuals, he would more likely ignore their sin, or worse - condone it. In fact, it would be rather like one who passes by a samaritan on the other side of the street - leaving him to die in his sin.

[narses]

Ping.

[Aleighanne]

Hey I just did a quick search on Dagmar Celeste and came up with some articles on her.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/4347686.htm?1c
http://www.freetimes.com/modules.phpop=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1670

[Aleighanne]

Here is a quote from another article about the lovely Ms. Celeste
"Ms. Celeste, 60, was the only American among seven women who were ordained as priests by Bishops Romolo Braschi of Argentina and Rafael Regelsberger of Austria on June 29 on a boat on the Danube River between Germany and Austria.
Ms. Celeste said she was ordained under the pseudonym Angela White because her daughter got married in September and she did not want to distract from the ceremony.
The church excommunicated the women on Aug. 5, after warning them that they must renounce their posts by July 22"

[Free and Armed]

"Seems to me that if the Pope hated homosexuals, he would more likely ignore their sin, or worse - condone it. In fact, it would be rather like one who passes by a samaritan on the other side of the street - leaving him to die in his sin."

Bingo. I haven't heard anyone make that point in a long time, and it's a good one. How do liberals get away with saying people like us hate homosexuals when in reality we condemn their actions and put up a fight when people say it should be mainstream? A friend of mine who I haven't seen in ages is a so-called "bisexual", and if I hated them I wouldn't have associated with him at all.

[prairiebreeze]

I think protecting her daughters feelings about her wedding was the least of this woman's concerns.

[ex-snook]

“Today, the princes of the Roman Catholic Church elected as pope a man whose record has been one of unrelenting, venomous hatred for gay people,” said Matt Foreman, a Catholic who is executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force."

Nah, he loves the sinner, hates the sin. Butt Matt [spelling intended] does not want sin forgiveness, he wants sin approval.

[Mark in the Old South]

Me thinks they doth protest too much. He hasn't done anything yet, for the love of Pete. I am as conservative as they come in the Catholic Church but I doubt I will see the Panzer Pope we have all been promised (if one listens to Big Media and all the loony left "Catholic?" rags).

Most likely it will be a mixed bag. Some things I will like and cheer and yet others that will leave me shaking me head. Lawd 'ave mercy I hope to never see another Assisi Ecumenical meeting and I hope he keeps puckered lips off the Koran or any other work that denies the divinity of Christ. He may allow married priest but deny women vocations in the priesthood. Who knows, we will all have to wait and see. I hope but do not expect a complete return to the pre-Vatican II Church. sigh.

[Aleighanne]

Yep, I think if she truly believed in what she was doing she would have used her real name.
Also there is a community she is a supporter of that blends Christianity and Paganism together. They have Saints and goddesses as their patrons. ::Shudder::

[prairiebreeze]

The liberals are losing what little mind they have left over this, LOL!

[prairiebreeze]

They have Saints and goddesses as their patrons. ::

Is that something called "Sophia"? I've read of some of their antics....shudder indeed!

[Aleighanne]

I don't think so. Its tryian or tyrian. If you do a search on her name its on the second page of results I think.

[Soul Seeker]

The day before Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI, he declared in a sermon during a public Mass that a “dictatorship of relativism” threatens the church’s claims to absolute religious truth. That observation could easily have come from conservative evangelical leaders in the United States, who, despite theological differences, are cheering the choice of a pontiff who seems to speak the same moral language they do.

Umm. Yeah. There might be a reason for that strange commonality. It's called the Bible. Might help if some of them read it once in awhile, than they might not be shocked at the idea of a REAL Catholic (see John Kerry for the opposite) being selected as Pope and why evangelicals/protestants/non denomination etc.. with a fundamentalist belief would cheer a pope of similiar mindset.

I'm just thinking of the massive build up this guy has gotten. Quite big shoes to fill to match the profile. LOL

[prairiebreeze]

mail call

[afraidfortherepublic]

Heck. I don't remember a first lady from Ohio being ORDAINED -- valid, or not!

[frankiep]

' “We would be very pleased if the new pope would tone down the virulence of the anti GLBT (gay, lesbian,bisexual,transgendered) rhetoric, and give the tones of love and inclusion a chance to be heard,” said Sam Sinnett, president of the gay Catholic group Dignity USA.'

News flash girlfriend: You have every right to be heard but that doesn't mean that the Church has to change it's doctrine just for you and your lifestyle choice. If you don't like it than find another religion. Now shuddup.


' “Today, the princes of the Roman Catholic Church elected as pope a man whose record has been one of unrelenting, venomous hatred for gay people,” said Matt Foreman, a Catholic who is executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.'

I see, so now not agreeing that there is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior and changing the doctrine of an entire Church to cater to it is now akin to "unrelenting, venomous hatred". New flash girlfriend: You have every right be as gay as you want to be but that doesn't mean that the Church has to change it's doctrine just for you and your lifestyle choice. If you don't like it than find another religion. Now shuddup.


' “He is perhaps the biggest homophobe in Europe,” said Mel White, a non Catholic who heads the gay rights group Soulforce. “We couldn’t have had worse news. This man is taking us back to the days of the Inquisition.” '

This is just one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time. Now who is it that's inciting hatred towards whom?

I hope that Pope Benedict XVI excommunicates these so-called Catholics and sends a message that the Catholic Church is not some kind of political party.

[JoeFromSidney]

Also, I don't recall a first lady from Ohio being excommunicated.

Her husband was no longer governor when this happened.

[prairiebreeze]

Pretty telling how much space was devoted to the comments of the dissenters in this article from the Presbyterian USA website. I'll also post the PCUSA's Stated Clerk Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick's letter to Pope Benedict XVI. The bible quote, in the context used, was a little insulting IMO.

The full text of Kirkpatrick’s letter: April 19, 2005

Your Holiness:

May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you! On behalf of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), I write to offer you our best wishes and commitment of prayer as you answer the call of the Church through voice of the Cardinals to lead the Catholic Church. Clearly, you are being called to offer spiritual leadership that touches the Catholic Church and the world.

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and our broader confessional family, the World Alliance of Reformed Churches, are committed to seeking the unity of the church and the reconciliation of the Christian family. We appreciated the invitation by Pope John Paul II to engage in serious study and dialogue on how the Petrine ministry might serve the cause of Christian unity. Both through our delegation visit with the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and local dialogue with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, we experience the Holy Spirit leading us toward more visible unity. We have also been greatly encouraged in our search for Christian unity by the Reformed-Roman Catholic Dialogues in which we have participated through the World Alliance of Reformed Churches. We rejoice in the progress that has been made.

The task before you is great. It is the grace of God that will lead you. Our prayer for you as you begin this new ministry comes from the apostle Paul’s letter to the Church at Ephesus, “I, therefore, a prisoner of the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, making every effort to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4: 1-3).

We welcome you to this ministry and pray God’s richest blessings upon you and the faithful of the Catholic Church.

In Christ,

Clifton Kirkpatrick Stated Clerk of the General Assembly President, World Alliance of Reformed Churches

[downwithsocialism]

Conservatives hail new pope,liberals prepare for the worst

Any time something happens that gives the world hope for improvement, "liberals prepare for the worst." The new Pope has them preparing with a vengeance. God bless him!