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Ted Kennedy's Female Troubles (Reggie, Hillary)
wizbangblog ^ | 4/23/05 | Jay Tea

Posted on 04/24/2005 10:01:27 AM PDT by bitt

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To: bitt
from the outset it was clear little was expected of him.

Referred to by his brother John as "the gay illiterate".

21 posted on 04/24/2005 10:25:59 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: bigsigh
Has he declared for the senate yet or does he have to move back to Mass and wait for Ted to retire?

Patches? Last word was that he had nobly decided not to run for the Senate so that he would have more time to take care of his mother. Of course he's never done anything with his House seat, the glamour of the family name is down the toilet, and he stood a good chance of being busted in the Rhode Island Democratic primary for the Senate election, but that's beside the point...

The Kennedys are going down fast, the kids lived off old Joe's ambition & bucks for decades and 'Camelot' was always a myth anyway.

22 posted on 04/24/2005 10:26:55 AM PDT by xJones
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To: bigsigh
What I admire most about the family is when the good ones die, the slow one's step up and take their places.

The "good ones" were only that because the media wasn't as broad then as now and the old man still controlled everything. Liberals always seem to admire and support those who made their fortunes from inside double dealing and controlling their image through hook and crook. The Kennedys and Clintons are good examples but not the only ones.

Their fellow travelers, the MSM, are complicit in this charade. In fact, they are essential to it. Then they high five each other over how easily they have fooled us great unwashed.

23 posted on 04/24/2005 10:29:36 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not everything that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: xJones
Camelot was a myth, but it was based on the publics love of that couple. Of course we didn't know what was going on off-stage.

I think it's dangerous if we idolize leaders, but he had a wit about him that enamored him to millions.

It's not unlike Clinton who looked into the camera and felt our pain, millions fell for meaningless tripe.

The real tragedy of JFK is that Nixon was not elected. And the election was probably stolen. But on camera the guy was a star and we (majority) liked him.

I can list some accomplishments and failures, but I think he's fifth in the century behind Reagan, FDR, Bush II, and Truman.

24 posted on 04/24/2005 10:33:06 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bitt
I've often wondered about Ted (the hero of Chappaquidick) Kennedy's shortenened Army service in which he never rose above the rank of Pvt. It would sure be interesting to see his DD214 or other records.


25 posted on 04/24/2005 10:33:18 AM PDT by Tuba Guy (' I has spoken !! ')
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I'm from WVA where there used to be an old saying. Vote for the rich guy because you know where his money came from. I think the Kennedys got some of that and Nixon was not exactly loved.


26 posted on 04/24/2005 10:34:40 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: xJones

I always thought Patches was going to move back to the compound and succeed Teddy.


27 posted on 04/24/2005 10:35:26 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Mr. Lucky
No it's about family values.


28 posted on 04/24/2005 10:35:58 AM PDT by They'reGone2000 (Re-elect Rossi 2005!)
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To: bitt
He was born to play a Falstaffian role, . . . .

Yes indeed, hiccup. And he, hiccup, did it with great, hiccup, GUSTO.


29 posted on 04/24/2005 10:36:44 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: bigsigh
I like your view, only one question, I think I would put Teddy Roosevelt on that list before I would put JFK, as you point out-he is a myth not reality.
30 posted on 04/24/2005 10:38:13 AM PDT by scott says
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
....and too, everything I've ever read about "Camelot"
made it sound like anything but "Wine and Roses"
31 posted on 04/24/2005 10:38:28 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (The US needs to pull the feeding tube from the UN)
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To: scott says

sorry, I can never remember which century he was in. I have oldtimers disease.


32 posted on 04/24/2005 10:39:04 AM PDT by bigsigh
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The article read, "Joe Junior, envious of Jack's heroic treatment, volunteered for a very dangerous mission that cost him his life."

I've read a great number of accounts of Joe Junior's death during the war--some of which were hostile to the Kennedy clan. There is no evidence Joseph Kennedy, Jr. was motivated by his younger brother Jack's PT109 exploit to undertake the mission in which he was killed. He was, by all accounts, a daring--even recklessly brave--pilot. I'm all for slamming Teddy Kennedy whenever the occasion arises, but a slur on the motives of a dead war hero killed in action is out of bounds. The author needs to drain the venom from his ink once in awhile.
33 posted on 04/24/2005 10:45:29 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: bitt
His challenge to incumbent Jimmy Carter is considered by many a factor in Carter's eventual loss to Ronald Reagan.

Interesting article. I agree with everything except this line. Reagan would have whipped Jimmah regardless of Ted's primary challenge. Of course, if not for Chappaquiddick, Ted might have well been elected POTUS prior to 1980. Mary Jo did not die in vain.

34 posted on 04/24/2005 10:47:25 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: bigsigh

No problem!! Its purely subjective, everyone has opinions on this stuff. I think Truman is one of the most interesting and important presidents in our history. Mainly just because of the time he was president, end of ww2, the beginning of the cold war, Korea, the social turmoil in the US.The most transitional time in our history.You should read David McCullough-TRUMAN,if you are a history buff.


35 posted on 04/24/2005 10:47:52 AM PDT by scott says
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There's an old point in biographies about greatness. It not only takes character and courage, but opportunity.

I think I remember a quote from Clintoon that he would have a greater legacy if he had more crises during his temrs. A jealous reference to W and 9-11. And of course a totally defensive statement since he just ignored most of the serious problems. But is does take opportunity or else what is there to rise to. Hell with the right war Coolidge could have been number 1.

36 posted on 04/24/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
...from the outset it was clear little was expected of him...

And ol Teddy hasn't dissapointed.

W.S. Gilbert, in the operetta Ruddigore, had one character say, "Ah, you've no idea what a poor opinion I have of myself, and how little I deserve it."

I think Ted's nature is to say, "You've no idea what a great opinion I have of meself, and how little I deserve it."

**hic!!**

37 posted on 04/24/2005 10:53:44 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: bigsigh
Well if you liked the mafia, I can see why you like the Kennedys, a family whose fortune was made from importing illegal booze, bought the presidency with a mafia deal, then had one dumb ass, Booby, break his deal with the mafia and thereby signed his brother's death warrant,
38 posted on 04/24/2005 10:58:38 AM PDT by Founding Father (My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: Founding Father
You can call the breaking of the dad's deal anything you want, but it took some balls for the AG to buck Hoover's head-in-the-sand history and fight the fight.

Most people I know don't see rum running as a nefarious thing. In fact, I wish my grandpa would have make dome booze money. In fact where would the mafia be without the government to give em a boost, selling olive oil in Little Italy.

39 posted on 04/24/2005 11:04:19 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Founding Father

PS I liked the mafia, they had honor, and knew who needed killing and who didn't. Wiat, I'm tearing up.


40 posted on 04/24/2005 11:05:31 AM PDT by bigsigh
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