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Interest in CS as a Major Drops Among Incoming Freshmen
Computing Research News ^ | 4/23/05 | Jay Vegso

Posted on 04/23/2005 8:30:02 PM PDT by anymouse

Survey results from the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles (HERI/UCLA) show that the popularity of computer science (CS) as a major among incoming freshmen has dropped significantly in the past four years. Alarmingly, the proportion of women who thought that they might major in CS has fallen to levels unseen since the early 1970s.

The percentage of incoming undergraduates indicating that they would major in CS declined by over 60 percent between the Fall of 2000 and 2004, and is now 70 percent lower than its peak in the early 1980s (Figure 1).

Figure 1 Interest in CS

Freshmen interest levels at any given point have been an accurate predictor of trends in the number of degrees granted four to five years later. It therefore seems likely that there will be a sharp decline in the number of bachelor's degrees granted in CS in the coming decade. Results from CRA's Taulbee Survey of Ph.D.-granting CS departments reinforce this: the number of newly declared CS majors has declined for the past four years and is now 39 percent lower than in the Fall of 2000. Enrollments have declined 7 percent in each of the past two years (see www.cra.org/info/taulbee/bachelors).

Figure 2 provides a sense of changing interests among incoming freshmen. The majors included within the groupings can be found below. 

Figure 2 Interest in Majors

The upcoming drop in CS degree production will highlight the field's inability to appeal to incoming female undergraduates. Overall, interest in CS among women fell 80 percent between 1998 and 2004, and 93 percent since its peak in 1982.

Although newly-enrolled women have always been less likely than men to indicate CS as their probable major, the gap between them remained relatively narrow through 1980 (Figure 1). During the surge and drop in interest that occurred in the 1980s, however, the difference between men and women more than doubled. While their interest levels continued to parallel each other, it was at this time that CS appears to have lost its ability to attract incoming undergraduate women. During the second surge of interest in CS that occurred in the mid- to late 1990s, women's interest in the field did not grow at the same rate as men's. As a result, the gap between men and women who thought that they would major in CS tripled between the early and late 1990s. Although the difference might appear to have narrowed in recent years, this is because the percentage of women interested in CS was low to begin with, whereas men's interest levels have had room to fall.

Unsurprisingly, freshmen women's dwindling interest in CS has affected degree production trends (Figure 3). Unlike most other fields, which have seen women's representation increase over time, the portion of CS degrees granted to women fell in the late 1980s and has yet to return above 30 percent. With a fall in degree production looming, it is difficult to see how CS can match expected future demand for IT workers without raising women's participation at the undergraduate level.Figure 3 Women Among BS Degrees


Sources and further information:

HERI/UCLA's "CIRP Freshman Survey" is an annual survey of the characteristics of students attending colleges and universities as first-time, full-time freshmen: www.gseis.ucla.edu/heri/freshman.html.

National Science Foundation data on degree production are available at www.nsf.gov/statistics/ and on CRA's website at www.cra.org/info/education/us/

Fields included in Figure 2's groupings:

(Computer Science is categorized by HERI/UCLA in a group called 'Other', which was not included in this article).

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical; US: California
KEYWORDS: academia; campus; college; computer; computerscience; education; highereducation; software; ucla; university
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To: supercat
As time goes by, hardware get smaller, faster, and cheaper. Software gets bigger, slower, and more expensive.

“Grove giveth, and Gates taketh away.”

-- Bob Metcalfe.

41 posted on 04/24/2005 9:15:53 AM PDT by dighton
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To: WOSG

"10 year later, and *still* MS is not as good as UN*X. "


Once again, another statement that proves how ignorant those in the industry really are.


42 posted on 04/24/2005 9:45:18 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Smogger

"Practically worthless, none of the programmers I know have them. Few jobs require them."

Yes, many jobs aim low.

" Get a degree in business if you are a good programmer, that way you can always start your own after working for someone else for awhile."

Talk about useless degrees ... 'degree in business' ... geez.
Very few of the hig-tech CEOs got their start from a 'degree in business'.

If you want to learn business, start one!


43 posted on 04/24/2005 12:29:42 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: WOSG
If you want to learn business, start one!

As someone who has started two businesses (not necessarily successful), you can learn a lot of what not to do by jumping into starting a business without formal business school training, but it will be a painful lesson. My suggestion is to work for a while in the industry you like and then go back to school (not necessarily a university) and learn some theory to augment your practical experience.

The challenge in going back into the Academic world after working in the "real world" is to avoid telling the instructor that they are full of crap too often. :)

Try to find instructors that themselves also work in the "real world" and teach part-time. This is good advice for whichever field that you study.

44 posted on 04/24/2005 4:25:10 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

Outsourcing is devastating the field.


45 posted on 04/24/2005 4:26:38 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
There is a huge stockpile of former CS engineers HTML coders who thought they were CS engineers working at Home depot in case we need to organize a draft.
46 posted on 04/24/2005 4:29:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: anymouse

What I have learned after several degrees and a fair amount of life experience in more than one field

- What is taught in schools is only of passing relevance/significance to what is actually done in the real world.

- Your odds of succeeding in life are improved by going to one of the aforementioned schools.

There is a great paradox embedded in these two statements. I think what it says it that if you are innovative, talented and brilliant you don't need school. If you are something less than that, school will at least get you in the door - at which point you will sink or swim based on hard work, good luck, political astuteness, native ability and how you combine all fo those.


47 posted on 04/24/2005 4:38:51 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: anymouse

Duh!

Atleast SOMEONE gets it!

I wish ADULTS not in school would GET IT!!!

No one, I repeat NO ONE is OWED a LIVING. So start earning a living doing something else.


48 posted on 04/24/2005 4:40:48 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Yay to your post!!


49 posted on 04/24/2005 4:41:41 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: anymouse
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
50 posted on 04/24/2005 10:21:16 PM PDT by sixmil (In Free Trade We Trust (faith-based economics))
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To: glorgau

"This is where the US still leads the world - in operational management."

The US leads the world in management, period.
We are the first nation to have built up management as a professional endeavour, and continue to lead.

see 'The Visible Hand' for a history of how modern management came about (in the railroads and factories of the late 19th century).


51 posted on 04/25/2005 11:26:39 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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