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'The Disruption Made Teaching Virtually Impossible. I Could Not Believe What I Saw' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-24-2005 | Julie Henry

Posted on 04/23/2005 6:23:18 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam

The parents of this generation are elected to take a seat in our state capitols.


21 posted on 04/23/2005 7:09:02 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Unam Sanctam

That was my thought as well. Not that these little turds weren't way out of line. Good Lord. This woman's classes sound like that Cheech and Chong routine "Sister Mary Elephant"...

"Young man, give me that knife."
"ThhhhhhhhWACKddddd!"*
"Thank you."

*[SFX of the knife being thrown at, and sticking in, the blackboard]


22 posted on 04/23/2005 7:10:17 PM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody had to say it...why not me?)
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To: blam

At that age, we had a lot of respect for the guy with the big wooden paddle that we so heard used right outside the classroom door.

Funny how the teachers always fight on the same side with those who fight to take away corporal punishment from the schools AND parents.


23 posted on 04/23/2005 7:12:14 PM PDT by digger48
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To: blam

We have go to stop thinking of Education as a right. If the little Basket cant behave expel him or her.. Bring back reform schools. Just the threat will stop a great deal of the problem.


24 posted on 04/23/2005 7:15:12 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: LauraleeBraswell

We had caning. My fourth grade teacher used a 6-foot bamboo (this was in the Philippines) so as to do three boys at a time. Into efficiency she was.

We also had pinching and slapping with rulers.

It worked for us. I support it.


25 posted on 04/23/2005 7:16:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: blam

These uncivilized monsters will be rearing the following generation shortly, fertility having no correlation to intelligence. They are supposed to be able to run the society and yes, they will be in charge of you at the nursing home. Is there any wonder why I pray that Jesus will return soon?


26 posted on 04/23/2005 7:17:17 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: digger48; torchthemummy; sgtbono2002; dufekin; okie01


Let me repeat this post

In the UK- children used to get caned- sometimes until they bled. Children! I don't think anyone thinks that taking a cane and beating the hell out of children was a good idea. Read Roald Dahls book BOY if you think so. It was cruel.


But you had an education system who went from using corporal punishment as a deterent to using nothing- snap... just like that. There wasn't a process to it. There wasn't an alternative introduced. So now you have a whole generation of parents who are clueless- who think the school discipline should stay in the schools. And don't want to involve themselves.



27 posted on 04/23/2005 7:19:37 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: buwaya
The thing about corporal punishment is that, when truly implemented, the threat is what keeps most kids in check. That is, for every one that actually gets swatted, there are many who stay in line simply to make sure they don't get theirs.

There aren't too many alternatives that are this effective in that regard. Even isolation isn't as effective.

28 posted on 04/23/2005 7:20:52 PM PDT by mcg1969
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That's awful. I support caning for criminals like in Singapore. But really- caning is beating. You don't want to beat children. Can't you just spank them?!!! Or even with a ruler slap them. Caning children is just cruel!


29 posted on 04/23/2005 7:21:15 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: blam

I teach at a major university. I had to throw 6 out of 18 students out of one of my classes before it started this week. I'm lucky. I can throw them out.


30 posted on 04/23/2005 7:21:47 PM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: blam

I see things haven't change in England since the movie "To Sir with Love".


31 posted on 04/23/2005 7:22:15 PM PDT by jonsie
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To: LauraleeBraswell

It sounds as though they're raising a bunch of spoiled brats over there.When a parent allows a child to do what he wants when he wants he is creating a monster.If they want to stop their kids from acting like fools they better grow a backbone.The consequences for this type of behavior has to be severe enough to deter the kids from doing it.Right now there is no punishment or it's too inadequate to make the kids think twice before acting up.It's better to teach them this now before they become adults and end up in prison.


32 posted on 04/23/2005 7:22:36 PM PDT by rdcorso (The Democratic Party Has Become An Abomination)
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To: blam

Holy Jeeze. I had nuns when I was younger and they scared the bejeezus out of me. They wouldn't have tolerated this type of behavior.


33 posted on 04/23/2005 7:22:37 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
But you had an education system who went from using corporal punishment as a deterent to using nothing- snap... just like that.

Laralee, this is the key. Corporal punishment need not be as severe as you're describing. But frankly if it's going to do any good, discipline has to be painful---whether physically or otherwise.

"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." Hebrews 12:11.

Again, it doesn't have to be physically painful, but it does have to be a consequence that the children truly want to avoid. That narrows the list quite a lot.

34 posted on 04/23/2005 7:23:00 PM PDT by mcg1969
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My daughter goes to public school. She had a piano recital last week which was held at a local Catholic high school. When we arrived at the school, there were several students still there waiting to be picked up by parents. I assume that they had been participating in various after school activities.

All of the kids were dressed just as bad, if not worse, than public high school students and the obscenities coming out of their mouths would make a sailor blush. A boy and girl were making out on the steps in front of the school in broad daylight. I was embarrassed to be there with my daughter. She doesn't behave that way and her friends don't either.

I don't see this kind of behavior at my daughter's school and it's a government school.


35 posted on 04/23/2005 7:23:22 PM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (Welcome to the Hotel Free Republic-You can check out any time you like but you can never leave)
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To: Poser
I had to throw 6 out

Through the window?

36 posted on 04/23/2005 7:23:28 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I certainly wouldnt want any child caned until they bled, However a few good licks never hurt anyone and could do a lot of good.


37 posted on 04/23/2005 7:26:00 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Poser
""I teach at a major university. I had to throw 6 out of 18 students out of one of my classes before it started this week. I'm lucky. I can throw them out.""


Now, I'll admit I wasn't very nice to the teachers in High school last year. I was a Senior and I did many typical Senior things. Like Spraying the fire extinguisher at people and having swivel chair races in the hallways and I could go on and on.


But College is Big Boy and Girl school. The fact that you had to throw out 6 students is just embarrassing. It's college not highschool, and your students should know they
are adults now!
38 posted on 04/23/2005 7:28:00 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I don't deny there have been excesses.

I never saw a classmate with more than a bruised ego in my experiences, and the sound of someone else getting a couple of monitored whacks, was a great deterrent to others.

Just kicking them out of school creates more problems to society than teaching them that actions have consequences throughout life. They don't get that by sending them home to MTV and the internet and their buddies basement.


39 posted on 04/23/2005 7:29:37 PM PDT by digger48
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To: dufekin

ALL excellent ideas! Well done!


40 posted on 04/23/2005 7:30:23 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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