'The Disruption Made Teaching Virtually Impossible. I Could Not Believe What I Saw' (UK)

The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-24-2005 | Julie Henry

[blam]

I 'X'ed' out the vulgar words. If you want to see them, go to the source.

[k2blader]

Look at the parents and you'll find the problem.

[little jeremiah]

Ping to self for later pingout.

Words fail me.

[balrog666]

Introduce a program of having the parents attend as well.

[okie01]

All three main political parties have pledged to improve school discipline.

How, pray tell, does Parliament propose to "improve school discipline"?

Short of making "disrupting the class" a capital offense, that is...

Government policies doubtless contributed to the problem; but there is not a damn thing that they can do that will solve it.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Get your kids out of publik skoolz, Mate.

[torchthemummy]

In the course of my job, I saw two incidents today that stood out. One was a 8 or 9 year old kid with a mohawk. The moment I saw the kid I said to myself he probably has some violence issues. I was stereotyping, making presumptions and reminded myself as such and then a second later the kid started punching with one hand his other open-palmed hand, obviously pissed off. I laughed just because my instinct had seemed to prove true. Just a moment but I am sure that if a got a look at the kid's school record I would find disciplinary problems.

The other was in a low-income housing project where, again, an 8 or 9 year-old was involved (I do door-to-door customer service). In this case the kid was walking up with a rock in his hand and a larger kid, maybe 15, made it clear to the kid that he would be pummelled if he followed through on his obvious assault attempt.

There have always been punk kids but I'm sure both of these kids are the result of dna, bad parenting and a overly-liberal society.

[Txsleuth]

Well, they could start by getting handcuffs from Florida..LOL

[johniegrad]

"Sink estates"?

[LauraleeBraswell]

I don't think anyone thinks that taking a cane and beating children was a good idea. Read Roald Dahls book BOY if you think so. It was cruel.


But you had an education system who went from using corporal punishment as a deterent to using nothing- snap... just like that. There wasn't a process to it. There wasn't an alternative introduced. So now you have a whole generation of parents who are clueless- who think the school discipline should stay in the schools. And don't want to involve themselves.

[bray]

This is where the NEA is taking America, too. The combination of Socialism, Political Correctness and a monopolistic school system and here you are.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[Podkayne]

How much more needs to happen before things change?

[dufekin]

Well, I claim no familiarity with British law, but I can think of a few ideas.

* Banning severely or repeatedly violent students from regular schools, and compelling their attendance at military-style alternative turnaround schools.

* Allowing teachers to use physical force to defend themselves and other teachers or students from bullies without facing criminal or civil penalties.

* Banning lawsuits against teachers or schools for disciplinary action that is not excessively and disproportionally violent; and allowing corporal punishment for lesser offenses.

* Allowing school security guards and police officers to carry, draw, brandish, use, and kill with firearms under the same conditions permissible against criminals on the street.

* Forbidding school authorities from interfering with investigations into or prosecutions for actions that would be considered as criminal if they had occurred outside school property, or from passing rules and regulations allowing or requiring punishments less severe than otherwise required by law.

Involving parents probably won't help; the parents either (1) fear their own teenage children, (2) don't care about the miscreants, (3) don't believe the teachers, or (4) reward bad behavior. Teachers probably recognize this, and have considered those parents who are impressionable.

However, I will propose:
* Making parents criminally and civilly liable for the misdeeds of their children in schools, as if the parents performed said misdeeds themselves.

[SedVictaCatoni]

"Sink estates"?

"housing projects"

[johniegrad]

Thanks.

[Americanexpat]

Ya see Sylvia, you get a cricket bat and when he opens his mouth to spill out his filth you....

Just joking. If this is the way parents raise kids today think what we have to look forward to when these yard apes start procreating.

[okie01]

* Making parents criminally and civilly liable for the misdeeds of their children in schools, as if the parents performed said misdeeds themselves.

That would have a meaningful positive impact.

But can you imagine such a bill actually being passed. Either in the UK or the US?

[stinkerpot65]

Government schools are evil.

[Americanexpat]

I used to spend a lot of time and money trying to help the public schools here in Panama. One of the schools did not have a kitchen to cook food for the kids and for many kids the meals they got at school might be the only one they ate for the day. Also, the area in front of the schoolñl was grass and mud and because this is the tropics it rained a lot and the kids could not go outside for recess.

I paid for the materials to build the school and pour concrete in front to make an area for the kids to play and hold Assembly's. I was promised by the parents that they would help construct both.

Well, that didn't happen and I had to pay workers to come in and construct both. Then I purchased food for the kitchen, I could not get the mothers to come help with the cooking.

Classroom discipline was the worst I had ever seen. I don't do much civic work anymore. Parents have to get involved in the schools if they really care about their kids. This isn't just a problem in America and Briton but all over the world.

[Unam Sanctam]

I went to public schools in the 70s and 80s and never saw anything like this. I assume that a "supply teacher" is a substitute teacher. I think kids do tend to take more advantage of a substitute teacher than they would a regular teacher though.