Posted on 04/23/2005 10:26:35 AM PDT by Pikamax
Couldn't agree with you more Destro.
What people call racism is really what I would call "culturalism" or "valuism". I believe there is very little true racism - people that believe that one race is completely superior to another - but there is a tremendous amount of "culturalism" - people that believe one "value system" is superior to others. And this is perfectly understandable and valid, despite all the crap that the multiculturalists toss around!
As soon as someone can articulate that then we can relax a little regarding immigration and the like. The best way to do that is the public school system - created in America for two reasons (many people forget) to assimilate immigrants and to create a work force with some education to work in machine factories. This is exactly what the Public School system did until the late 60s. Why it failed is many fold - mostly it failed because industrialists who supported legislation for public schools to create a viable work force vanished as American manuf. industry vanished. Without the practicality of the industrialists that focused congressmen - the Public School system fell into the hands of what I call "educationists" - who feel they should educate for the sake of education alone rather than to any practical purpose.
Islam is a death cult and needs to be eradicated
In reality the West is not shrinking (dying) alone. It seems industrialization and wealth reduce population reproduction because you don't need that many children and children become expensive - see Japan as an example (Israel's population is also shrinking as richer Israelis have less children too). In poor countries the poorer you are the more children you need to help contribute to the family and you need more children as a defense against high mortality. Brazil and India.
A mention must be made to the effect the death toll of the last century took on the Western world's reproduction ability. I don't know what if any impact the destruction of the World Wars and Communisim had if any but it should deserve some pondering.
In conclusion, whenever I see "Death of the West" rants I have to read it with some scepticisim because there seems to be an agenda behind the declaration.
I welcome return comments.
Obviously the use of "west" is vague and imprecise. However, the way I interpret it as referenced here, it is the advanced representative democracies that share the values of the enlightenment (western civilization). As such, I would include Japan, and perhaps even S. Korea, but probably not the south america ruled by despots.
As for whether it is dying, obviously from a demographics point of view, it is shrinking since most western affluent countries are not reproducing at a rate fast enough to replace themselves. Whether that will change who knows.
In the US the population is not shrinking, in fact it enjoys a healthy growth. The reason for this is immigration (both legal and illegal). Europe's population is shrinking somewhat, however, they are experiencing a surge of immigration which will stabilize it.
The difference between the US and European experience is that most of the new immigrants of the US become assimilated in a fairly short period of time, thus becoming "westernized". In Europe this is not as prevalent. Because much of their new immigrants come from cultures (muslims) that have a stronger cultural identity, and because the multicultural mindset of europeans doesn't insist on assimilation (in fact they encourage maintaining separate identities) - there is less assimilation and westernization.
Since the immigrant population is growing much faster than that of the native european, if immigration and assimilation policies remain as they are, it is a demographic certainty that the muslims will eventually be a majority in Europe. At that point they will establish laws that are more in tune with their cultural and religious beliefs.
So what would cause the "west" to die is not the decreasing population of the "european" stock, but their failure to force the cultural assimilation of the new immigrants.
This is because, the "west" is a culture, not an ethnic group.
In any case - it seems as the third world also industrializes they will also shrink population wise.
Let us not forget the great Malthusian error.
I don't expect the increase in Hispanic population here to have any where near the cultural impact that the muslims will have in Europe (if they allow it) - simply because the differences aren't as great.
I too believe most people will simply reproduce less as they become more wealthier.
As for whether having less people is good or bad, depends on your preferences - environazis would love it, economically it wouldn't be so hot... but think of all the additional space we would all have!
This is typical excusist liberal crap. The most salient feature of modern liberals is sanctimonious selfishness. Whereas they created the mess that Holland is in, they are the first ones to bolt to befoul another place, but they have to blame their departure on the absolutely justified outrage that they themselves engendered in their fellow countrymen. Someday liberals will have their snouts forced into the little steaming piles they constantly deposit around the planet.
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