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BRONX 'TERRI' BATTLE
nypost.com ^ | By ED ROBINSON and CLEMENTE LISI

Posted on 04/22/2005 9:16:05 PM PDT by paltz

The family of a 13-year-old Bronx boy charged last night that doctors at Montefiore Hospital insisted on taking their brain-dead son off life support, despite their pleas for more time to assess his condition.

Only hours after family members went public — and threatened to get a court order — the hospital backed down and promised not to do "anything precipitously."

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To: MHGinTN

The kid should have been given antibiotics when he was diagnosed with an infected root. Right away. Poor kid.


61 posted on 04/23/2005 9:03:47 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mountaineer

"We are going to give you time to mourn," Taran's aunt, Ann Marie Douglas, recalls being told by a social worker. "You have 24 hours."

She said the social worker also let slip that Medicaid wouldn't pay for the funeral. It was suggested that the family would make out better if Taran's organs were harvested.

A poor boy is dead.

A family is treated like filth.

This is beyond shameful.

Andrea Pyser


62 posted on 04/23/2005 9:05:43 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: paltz; russesjunjee
In today's society, who do we trust? Our doctors, judges, relatives, hospitals, hospices, our leaders?

I'd be getting a second opinion stat on the boy's condition. They might just want to harvest his healthy organs.

63 posted on 04/23/2005 9:29:22 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: PhilDragoo
Yes, I just mentioned second opinion. Here's the new name for the hemlock society: ERGO. Euthanasia Research and Guidance Organization.

(so they can guide victims to early, forced death?).

64 posted on 04/23/2005 9:31:11 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: MHGinTN
When they are harvesting organs, it's called stripping. The person is alive while they are being stripped of their organs.

They do the heart last so it keeps beating as they strip the patient (victim) of their other vital organs.

65 posted on 04/23/2005 9:33:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: pickyourpoison
"If they kept Terri Schiavo alive for 14 years, they could keep a 13-year-old boy from The Bronx alive for a few weeks," he said.

Terri in death is still on everyone's mind. She will never be forgotten nor her suffering.

66 posted on 04/23/2005 9:36:57 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: AntiGuv
The 'brain-dead' kid has zero usable body parts without the parents' permission.

pardon me, but have you been in a cave for the past two months? What have parents' wishes got to do with anything? Or would it be legit if the parents had a death wish? Hint: T-e-r-r-i S-c-h-i-a-v-o.

67 posted on 04/23/2005 9:39:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: floriduh voter

"The person is alive while they are being stripped of their organs." I cannot agree with your assertion ... the person is no longer inhabiting but the organs and mechanism may be sustained artificially for a time while organs are removed from the system. The 'person is alive' assertion is incorreect by definition of brain dead in the protocols.


68 posted on 04/23/2005 9:41:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Terri Schiavo was not a kid.


69 posted on 04/23/2005 9:54:36 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: All; IleeneWright; Ohioan from Florida

My husband JUST read me this story from the NYPost.

There was another story we read a week or so ago, about a baby that had flat brain waves recorded, but the doctor would not kill it. The baby grew up to be a straight A student!!!!

The brain is very subjective and misdiagnosed around 50% of the time, I have heard, I think from Ohioan from Florida.

Body parts are best when THE PATIENT IS ALIVE. I am worried that they just want this boy's body parts, & will take them while he is alive (but brain "dead").


70 posted on 04/23/2005 9:58:12 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: MHGinTN
If they are really brain dead.

But, if the heart is beating, that is because the brain is making the heart beat. So, a person can be brain dead but the part of the brain that makes the heart beat still functions?

71 posted on 04/23/2005 9:59:46 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: All; IleeneWright

Everyone PLEASE check out Post #50 for important contact info.


72 posted on 04/23/2005 10:03:05 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: AntiGuv
Terri Schiavo was not a kid.

neither was she an adult, insofar as the law and common sense are concerned, because she was incapacitated with respect to the functions of an adult.

She was as dependent as any child.

But, since you brought it up, are you arguing that there is a difference in quality between the life of a "child" (questions of defining what is a "child" left unasked for the moment) and that of an adult?

73 posted on 04/23/2005 10:04:37 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: floriduh voter
When they are harvesting organs, it's called stripping. The person is alive while they are being stripped of their organs. They do the heart last so it keeps beating as they strip the patient (victim) of their other vital organs.

that does it - I've been on the fence for years on organ donation...but too often I have seen case where it seems they have a patient needing a transplant and here comes someone with the right blood type - and there seems to be a rush towards declaring them brain dead - to 'strip' them...

It's a bit too ghoulish for me. If it were my child, I'd let them know, in no uncertain terms, will they get his organs - so they may as well try to save him.

I's like to know why they didn't, since they knew what was causing the infection - they didn't flood him with a massive dose of antibiotics - and I'd want to know why they stopped his lungs in surgery - was his brain receiving oxygen while his lung function was deliberately shut down?

74 posted on 04/23/2005 10:05:49 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: jwalsh07
Thanks for the link you posted. It confirms what I suspected, even thought the original article doesn't mention pressure on the family to donate the child's organs.

Btw, you might want to re-think "carrying the card" for organ donation.

These cards give the unscrupulous organ donation industry a near carte-blanche to do things you or your family may NOT, if well-informed, want.

Many good people, wishing to be altruistic, are fooled into allowing their (or their loved ones') organs to be "harvested" without due consideration of the patient's true condition, or even a decent period of time to thoroughly evaluate issues surrounding the transplantation process.

For example, did you know that even "brain dead" patients experience "fear" and "pain" reactions as their organs are cut from them?

Heartbeat and blood pressure rise as the surgeon cuts into the supposedly dead organ donor, a similar reaction to a healthy person being attacked with a knife.

Some doctors recommend administering anaesthetic, prior to harvesting, to prevent pain to supposedly "brain dead" donors despite the donor officially declared dead.

Organ donors get inferior treatment than organ keepers. This happens because treatment to preserve harvestable organs increases the injuries and may even kill the patient.

This reminds me of the abortion industry's paid shills, who insist that the "fetus" feels no pain as he/she is being cut to pieces.

Some very revealing, and disturbing links about this may be found here.

75 posted on 04/23/2005 10:19:33 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: maine-iac7

this is the slippery slope. When does life begin and when does life end? Who decides?


76 posted on 04/23/2005 10:23:55 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: All; IleeneWright

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77 posted on 04/23/2005 10:33:03 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: shhrubbery!
You asserted, For example, did you know that even "brain dead" patients experience "fear" and "pain" reactions as their organs are cut from them? Then you offered the following as proof of your assertion, or more precisely, to try and support your assertion of fear: Heartbeat and blood pressure rise as the surgeon cuts into the supposedly dead organ donor, a similar reaction to a healthy person being attacked with a knife. The point of debate revolves around the brain stem remaining alive and processing nerve impulses from the body yet ALL higher cortex brain function has ended; pain is an automatic system response, whereas 'fear' is a higher brain function aligned with recognition of the pain and danger. Please, become more acquainted with the facts of human physiology before making 'wholesale' assertions.
78 posted on 04/23/2005 10:47:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: floriduh voter

"So, a person can be brain dead but the part of the brain that makes the heart beat still functions?" Yes, but I would caution not to make the transference to comparing the heartbeat onset of a new human being who has yet to make their own cerebral cortex ... with the newly conceived, the being is alive and directing his or her lifetime physiology, but the brain dead individual has ceased to direct their individual lifetime, there are merely automatic processes remaining active without direction, the person is gone but the mechanism continues to function with aid of an artificial nature.


79 posted on 04/23/2005 10:53:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Okay, I get it.


80 posted on 04/23/2005 10:56:10 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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