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1 posted on 04/22/2005 5:23:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 04/22/2005 5:25:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Some experts believe strict infection control measures, such as nurses washing their hands between every patient contact and isolating infected patients, can help substantially.

They're not doing this already? No wonder they're having these problems.

4 posted on 04/22/2005 5:28:48 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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We need to get back to first principles in infection control, the stuff Lister set up before antibiotics. Hospitals should NOT have crap like carpeting, curtains cloth chairs etc in the patient rooms or on the wards. It should be all tile, vinyl, blinds things that can be scrubbed down and disinfected. This stuff, infection control was all learned, and now gradually forgotten as we have gotten sloppy because of antibiotics.


6 posted on 04/22/2005 5:32:57 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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Welcome to National Health Care.

Oh, and by the way, it took 10 months for most of these folks to even get into the hospital.

Someone should post those UK disease mortality rates again.


7 posted on 04/22/2005 5:35:08 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: neverdem; Kozak; Born Conservative

Best estimates are that hospital infections kill 80,000 Americans a year.


8 posted on 04/22/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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Socialized medicine hellholes in Britain include open co-ed wards, unchanged in 100 years. This is something inconceivable to Americans, but hey, its "free."

You take you life in your hands in this fithy British wards.

10 posted on 04/22/2005 6:10:40 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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Actually this is all a lie. Bacteria "evolve" resistance according to evolution, but evolution has been disproven time and time again.

The truth is that these resistant bacteria were created and must have been trapped somewhere until they were recently disturbed. Perhaps in a cave or something.


12 posted on 04/22/2005 6:41:22 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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''A nurse might have 100 times a day where she has to wash her hands. The alcohol gel is an irritant. It dries out the hands, and dry irritated hands are more easily colonized with MRSA,'' said Dr. Mark Enright, an MRSA specialist at Bath University in England. ''It's a very complex, interrelated set of things.''

I thought studies have shown that the waterless hand wash really isn't as good as running water and soap. You can also wash your hands till the cows come home and it will not stop you from shedding MRSA if you are growing it in you armpits, groin, tonsils, sinuses or scalp.

I've been on staff twice during an MRSA outbreak. We always found it growing in really hard to get to areas of furniture, such as the underside pedestal of an OR table where the table locks. Infected staff has always had it growing in places other than their hands.

15 posted on 04/22/2005 8:39:07 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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this article is full of blarney......nurses are not the culprits...its every doctor or technician or family member who insists on going into isolation without garb and are notoriously poor at washing hands.....

what the heck does "dirty" have to do with anything?

this germ is found on probably most people IMO and it only is dangerous when it gets in contact with people who are immuno-suppressed/ chronically ill...

it has been found on the skin of football players......

the proliferation of various diseases or germs in our society today is very much BECAUSE of our behaviour and our demands.....

let's be honest.....most people feel cheated if they go to the doctor and don't get a presciption or two.....

we've been passing out antibiotics like candy for some 30 yrs now.....

we smoke...we overeat....we drink too much....we take far too many drugs into our system and then we wonder why these "germs" can become so prevalant...

18 posted on 04/22/2005 10:26:27 PM PDT by cherry (I)
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