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Georgia responsible for Soviet genocide, claims Russian ambassador to Ukraine
UPI ^ | Apr. 21, 2005

Posted on 04/22/2005 10:03:43 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

According to former Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, now Russian ambassador to Ukraine, Georgia is more to blame for the Soviet genocide against Ukrainians than Russia. Chernomyrdin told journalists, "If we speak about terror in the times of the U.S.S.R., as a result of that, the number of Russians killed was far greater than that of Ukrainians. We still cannot answer to our people for that. If anyone is to receive claims, address them to Georgia, the 'father of nations' Joseph Stalin was from that country." During the U.S.S.R.'s 1932-1933 collectivization drive, an estimated 5 million to 7 million Ukrainians in the "bread basket" of the U.S.S.R. perished during a famine deliberately instituted by Stalin.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: chernomyrdin; genocide; georgia; realbadexcuse; russia; sovietunion; ukraine
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To: Romanov
No one is trying to blame Russia alone for anything. The problem is that Russia is now so secure in her complete and total innocence that she thinks she can once again dominate her neighbors and reduce them to "spheres of influence" and "buffer states." People who think that way are anachronisms stuck in the cold war!

The Soviet Empire has been tossed into the garbage bin of history where it belongs, and it will not be resurrected by nationalists or under any other pretense! They think the resurrection of Soviet symbols will fill the Russian people with nationalists pride (and presumably nationalist hatred for those "ethnic minorities" who were really responsible for Communism) but instead it fills the whole world with revulsion and disgust!

81 posted on 04/23/2005 12:27:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"No one is trying to blame Russia alone for anything. The problem is that Russia is now so secure in her complete and total innocence that she thinks she can once again dominate her neighbors and reduce them to "spheres of influence" and "buffer states." People who think that way are anachronisms stuck in the cold war!"

I think you have the wrong impression of how Russia is "acting" now. Russian television (state-controlled and private) is choc-full-o historically based mini-series and documentaries detailing the horrors of the Communist regime. These shows pull no punches. The younger generations know their history (now) and are not willing to repeat it - HOWEVER, they don't want to be treated like post-WWI Germany and have their pride stolen from them.

Also, if you look at Russia's history you can better understand why they act they way they do vis-a-vis the near abroad. Doesn't mean I always agree with their actions, but I at least understand them. Besides, their recent actions in the near abroad have done nothing but to screw their relationships with neighbors and drive them into the arms of NATO...


82 posted on 04/23/2005 12:33:34 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: GarySpFc

Not to mention those idiots in Seattle who put up a statue to Lenin. At what point did the IQ in Seattle drop to the low negatives?


83 posted on 04/23/2005 12:41:12 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Lukasz
Yes, they were many anti-commie Russians but they lost because they were more pro-commie Russians

No, they lost because unlike the under funded Whites, the Reds were first receiving 50 million gold Deutche Marks from the Kaiser and second they were being funded by the likes of the Rothchildes, Rockerfellers, Armnhammers, etc who were promised big contracts for their investment. Meanwhile, at least at the beginning of the civil war, there was still fighting up and down the eastern front of WW1. Lets try to be honost.

84 posted on 04/23/2005 12:44:40 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Romanov
they don't want to be treated like post-WWI Germany and have their pride stolen from them.

The enslavement of millions behind the Red Iron Curtain is nothing to be proud of. Now that the cold war is over, should we forget that it even happened? Stalin's Empire was worse than Hitler's! It lasted longer and took more lives! Only COMMUNISTS celebrate it!

85 posted on 04/23/2005 12:44:46 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Lukasz

Oh and don't forget such units as the Latvian Rifles supporting the Communists. Let me guess, they were Russians too? /sarcasm


86 posted on 04/23/2005 12:45:13 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bttt


87 posted on 04/23/2005 12:47:36 PM PDT by meema
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Modernman; GarySpFc
Hay, so are you going to post the "proof" of all your accusations against me? Or are you going to run away just like you did before countless times to me and others like Modernman?

Credibility? You have none. You've proven yourself to be a slanderous hysteric with an obsessive hatred towards Russians. My wife finds your postings funny, she think's you're a total kook. I think she's right. It was hard enough at first to convince her that not all Americans are people like you. Thankfully she now sees you as the fringe minority you are.

We're still waiting for your "proof". You've been called out and served.

88 posted on 04/23/2005 12:48:48 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You are either jb6, or you are simply so easily led by his lies that you have made precisely the same false accusations against me that he has.

So when is your "proof" going to show up? More lies but that's all you're made of.

89 posted on 04/23/2005 12:49:48 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you want to prove you are a Christian, then you should repent! Retract your lies against me and admit you had no basis for the smears which you have used to defame me,

Oh talk about having a forest to harvest in your eye. Gads, your self-righteousness is only surpressed by your slanderous nature.

90 posted on 04/23/2005 12:50:59 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Funny that when I accuse you of lying, you accuse me of hypocrisy. You don't defend yourself or deny that you are a liar, you just say that I am too. That is a tacit admission of guilt. Don't try to preach my own religion to me COMMIE SCUM!


91 posted on 04/23/2005 12:57:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hitler in 9 years:

6 million Jews in camps
6 million Poles in camps
20 million Soviet citizens butchered
1 million other Poles butchered, such as in Warsaw
1 million Serbs
1 million Greeks
1 million Italians (after 1944 when Italy switched sides)
1/2 million French after Overlord
50,000 Britians
500,000 Danes, Belgians, Netherlanders, Hungarians
2 million Germans (disabled, mentally retarded, aristocrats, unionists, conservatives, etc)
Total: 39 million in 9 years.
Stalin: 36 million Soviet citizens and about 10 million others in 30 years. So sure, Hitler killed fewer overall, but thankfully his career was ended rather shortly. Stalin averaged 1.6 million per year, Hitler averaged 4.3 million per year, not counting war dead.

92 posted on 04/23/2005 12:59:37 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Funny that when I accuse you of lying, you accuse me of hypocrisy.

So I take it you can't back up your accusations? As usual I see.

That is a tacit admission of guilt. Don't try to preach my own religion to me COMMIE SCUM!

Only in your warped world. So care to prove I'm a commie? Oh that's right, you don't ever, do you. No, your SOP is to insult and that's about the extent of what you've added to any threads.

93 posted on 04/23/2005 1:01:25 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

My SOP is to point out that people who defend Stalin are commies.


94 posted on 04/23/2005 1:03:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Romanov; Tailgunner Joe

You mean Russia can't have a Monroe Doctrine of it's own?


95 posted on 04/23/2005 1:04:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Again, the conversation is about a statue of the three leaders who ended the Nazis. But why should that stop you? Nope, you just need a venue for your hatred. So again, prove we ever defended Stalin. Oh that's right, you can't, you never can, nope just LIE LIE LIE LIE ACLU LIE LIE LIE DU LIE LIE LIE NAACP LIE LIE LIE. Yup, some others with your SOP.


96 posted on 04/23/2005 1:06:10 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Funny that when I accuse you of lying, you accuse me of hypocrisy.

Oh and for the record, I don't accuse you of being a hypocrit, I accuse you of being a liar and you've NEVER ONCE disproved me.

97 posted on 04/23/2005 1:07:42 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Destro

Maybe they shouldn't sell 100,000 machineguns to the communist Hugo Chavez if they want their own "Monroe Doctrine."


98 posted on 04/23/2005 1:09:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jbg; dfwgator; GarySpFc; Romanov; RusIvan
VOICE OF MOSCOW'S STALINIST HALL OF SHAME

jb6 defends the Hitler-Stalin pact and blames World War 2 on the west. (classic commie propaganda)

jb6 defends Stalin and Hitler's partition of Poland.

jb6 defends Stalin (Not excusing Stalin BUT...)

not excusing Stalin, BUT...

99 posted on 04/23/2005 1:13:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why not? We sell F-16s to al-Qaeda supporting Pakistan.


100 posted on 04/23/2005 1:23:15 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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