Georgia responsible for Soviet genocide, claims Russian ambassador to Ukraine

UPI ^ | Apr. 21, 2005

[Tailgunner Joe]

According to former Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, now Russian ambassador to Ukraine, Georgia is more to blame for the Soviet genocide against Ukrainians than Russia. Chernomyrdin told journalists, "If we speak about terror in the times of the U.S.S.R., as a result of that, the number of Russians killed was far greater than that of Ukrainians. We still cannot answer to our people for that. If anyone is to receive claims, address them to Georgia, the 'father of nations' Joseph Stalin was from that country." During the U.S.S.R.'s 1932-1933 collectivization drive, an estimated 5 million to 7 million Ukrainians in the "bread basket" of the U.S.S.R. perished during a famine deliberately instituted by Stalin.

[Mount Athos]

Tailgunner my friend, let's take a deep breath and review the facts honestly.

jb6 and you are both strong anti-communists, if you saw things clearly you would see that you should be friends with him instead of swearing at him. Why do you spend so much energy making up falsehoods about what other people think?

You cannot seem to grasp that Russia and Russians were perhaps the greatest victims of communism. How many Russians died from Stalin? There are people in Russia who hate communism more than you can imagine. But for your simple way of thinking, all Russians are communist and love communism. This delusional thinking makes you a less effective anti-communist. You would be more effective if you saw things as they were.

Communism is an ideology, not an ethnicity or nationality. Let's work together to fight the evil ideology of communism ok? Why can't we be friends?

[jb6]

You are the one who wears masks: Stavka2, RussianConservative. You have been repeatedly banned, and for being the most foul sort of Russian racial supremacist. Go to hell where communist filth like you belong.

Ehh? You off your meds again? I did a search on those names and they don't come up, so I don't know who your little friends are, but you are sounding rather loonier then usual this late.

What did you come back from the bars with one to many down the gullet?

You defend Stalin's statue just like you defend Stalin himself!

You are a little lieing prick. I have never defended Stalin and dispise him, but I will not white wash history to fit your agenda either. As usual, go find one place I defend Stalin and post it you little lieing prick.

[Tailgunner Joe]

No one who really felt that way would try to justify the erection of a Stalin statue. He never condemns the resurrection of Soviet symbols, he only justifies them. He is a poster who has been banned twice before and has always shown that his true loyalty is to Russia before the US. He is a damned traitor.

[Tailgunner Joe]

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A physcal and moral conservative. Not a fanatic fringer but not a fantasizer either. Don't understand why so many people still dream about the Cold War. Was it so good for the world? Can't understand why so many Americans still think Russia is communist or socialist. The Cold War ended 12 years ago and Putin has put in reforms that most Americans could only dream about. I will put a list later.

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[Mount Athos]

Why do you send me this?
What is so interesting about industrial output figures?

You need some sleep, you are throwing around too many insults and false accusations tonight. You attack fellow anti-communists, and say so and so loves Stalin, it makes no sense. Take a deep breath, hopefully we can all be friends tomorrow.

[Tailgunner Joe]

He is such an antiCommunist that he celebrates Stalin and defends him. Yeah, right.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Stavka2:UserPosts

Same mispellings. Same lies. Same Putin worship. Same treachery. Same Russia First/Voice of Moscow

[Kozak]

And Stalin, this superman did it all by his little old self right? 100 million Russians were just hypnotized by this one single individual. Amazing.

I guess you all owe all those Germans an apology because it was all Hitlers fault. He did it all himself too right?

[jb6]

Ooh cool some interesting facts and links. Thanks. Got any more? What have you on Stavka? Does he/she/it also have a site with info?

Hmm Gary and I don;t have some of those names for our ping lists, thanks, I'll make sure to add them.

You know, for once you've been really useful. Thank you.

[jb6]

No he had some help. Plenty of Russians helped him...oh and plenty of Jews too (who happened to set up the Gulags under Lenin) and then there were plenty of Ukrainians, Georgians, some Poles and lots of American and British millionares. Oh and did we mention the Latvian Rifles? Body guards to the Soviet Leadership?

What was your point again?

[jb6]

I defend a historic moment that the statue represents. Again, post one quote where I defend Stalin. I'm waiting. And just like every time before I'll be waiting and waiting. Just like you tried to commit character assassination on Modernman and couldn't back your lies then either, when he challenged you. I'll make sure to ping him, he should be interested.

[Tailgunner Joe]

He's another punk liar racebaiter just like you.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Yes you do. Actually you Stavka2, RussianConservative and GarySpFc all have identical ping lists. That's because you are all the same person.

[jb6]

Racebaiter? Hmmm, I'm sorry, but I don't recall where I blamed an entire race of people, like say the modern day Germans, for a past atrocity, like say WW2. But wait! You've got plenty of those posts. And as for:

Yes you do. Actually you Stavka2, RussianConservative and GarySpFc all have identical ping lists. That's because you are all the same person.

You are seriously off your meds buddy, way off. Maybe Destro, A.Pole, Lion in Winter and Marmema are also all me too? Gads, I'm all powerful, able to post at the same time and jump back and forth between a dozen personas just to screw up your day. Yup, you're that important, didn't you know?

Gary and I have the same ping list because we shared it and continue to share it.

Oh and I'm Mount Athos too.

Oh and I didn't have cut, armed_in_sydney,OldFriend, Sender,ralph rotten, pubbie, devnull, WhyisaTexasgirlinPA but I'll be sure to add them to my list. Thanks again.

Oh and I'm also the dust bunny under your bed waiting with a hammer and sickle to drop a Stalin statue on your chest.

[jb6]

Oh and I'm still waiting on where I defended Stalin. Should I continue to hold my breath? Or will you ever admit to lieing?

Ok, it's been fun, but my term paper isn't going to write itself, so cheereo ole fellow.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Even your buddies Marmema and destro know who you are, but they won't admit it. Your lies taint them with guilt too. You are no Christian and you even lead others to join into your sins.

I don't blame any race of people for anything. You have blamed Georgians and Poles and Ukrainians though. You are racist against all these which you would grind under Russia's bootheel. You celebrate their enslavement to communism under Stalin!

[Kozak]

No Russians? None? Not out of that 100 million that made up the majority of the Soviet Army, NKVD, MGB, KGB, Communist Party? All blameless? All helpless?

My point as you well know is that Russians have more than a little responsibility for what happened in the Soviet Union. Quit trying to pretend otherwise.

[Destro]

Shall we blame the Jews for Marxisim? Is that next?

[Destro]

I don't know who jb6 is beyond our discussions here.