Can you please outline and cite examples for your claim that Bill Clinton and his administration were "...the most corrupt administration in history." I'm just curious. I'm new around here. I read both sides. They think Clinton is a god. Y'all think he is the worst person on the face of the earth, or at least in American history. So, how come?
Did you read the article that this thread is based on?
Then read the articles linked further in the thread.
There is evidence of corruption regarding the Clintons and their administration. You don't need to buy into the hyperbole about "worst person on the face of the earth" or "hater" in order to concede facts.
February 15, 2001
If Bill Clinton thought the scandals would end when he left the White House, he has been disappointed.
Though his problems might not go as far as retroactive impeachment - a possibility suggested by one senator - he has been dogged by questions about gifts and furniture he and his wife Hillary took with them when they left Washington, and pardons he issued on his last day in office.
Both the House and the Senate have committees investigating these pardons, and federal prosecutors in New York are to conduct a criminal inquiry into the one issued to fugitive multi-millionaire businessman Marc Rich.
(my comment: the investigation into the Rich pardon is ongoing)
And following outrage at the cost of downtown Manhattan office space the former president was planning to rent partly at taxpayers' expense, he has backed down and is negotiating for cheaper property in Harlem.
Tarnishing the legacy
Stephen Schier, a political science professor and editor of the forthcoming book The Postmodern Presidency: Bill Clinton's Legacy in American Politics, says the move to Harlem is a sign Mr Clinton is aware of his image problem.
"Washington has been uniformly hostile to the Clintons' behaviour since he left office", Mr Schier told BBC News Online.
Mr Schier, who teaches at Carleton College, said liberals and conservatives alike were put off by Mr Clinton's recent actions.
And, he said, the general air of scandal will affect how history views the former president.
Bills to pay
"It has given credence to the underside of his record", he said.
Mr Clinton has financial worries as well as image problems. He is believed to owe huge bills from his legal defence against charges related to the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky affairs.
As a former president, he commands large speaking fees - he is reported to have been paid between $100,000 and $150,000 for his first address since leaving office - but there may be hesitation about hiring him.
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, the financial company, admitted that it "should have thought twice" after Mr Clinton spoke at a company conference after leaving office.
"We should have been far more sensitive to the strong feelings of our clients over Mr Clinton's personal behaviour as president," the chairman of the company is reported to have said in an e-mail message.
But not everyone has been scared off. Software giant Oracle has hired Mr Clinton to speak later this month, as have Credit Suisse First Boston and entertainment newspaper Variety.
Presidential pardons
Mr Clinton may have more serious problems over the roughly 140 pardons he granted on his last day as president.
Among others, he pardoned cocaine dealer Carlos Vignali, whose father donated money to Mr Clinton's Democratic party.
Perhaps even more controversial was the presidential pardon for billionaire fugitive Marc Rich, who was wanted for allegedly having evaded nearly $50m in taxes, committing fraud and racketeering and participating in illegal oil trade with Iran.
Mr Rich's ex-wife reportedly donated money to the Democratic Party, the Senate campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton, and the Bill Clinton presidential library.
A senior Republican Senator is considering introducing a constitutional amendment to limit the president's power to pardon, which at the moment is absolute.
Even a Democratic Senator, Joseph Biden, said Clinton "either had an incredible lapse in memory or was brain-dead" when he pardoned Mr Rich, the Associated Press reported.
Admission of error
One area where the Clintons seem to have admitted error is in taking gifts and furnishings from the White House when they left.
They have returned $28,000 worth of furnishings and said they would pay back $86,000 for gifts they received.
They are reported to have received a total of $190,000 in gifts.
Mr Schier said taking the White House furnishings was seen as "tacky and indefensible" by the Washington establishment.
There was dispute over whether the items belonged to the White House or to the Clintons personally.
That scandal seems to have been resolved by the Clintons' offer to return disputed property.
But it has not put an end to the other problems which could dog Mr Clinton - the youngest ex-president in nearly a century - for some time to come.
And even if he rides out the criticism, it will affect Mr Clinton's legacy, Mr Schier said.
"The way you leave can leave a lasting impression", he said.
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> Can you please outline and cite examples for your claim that Bill Clinton and his administration were "...the most corrupt administration in history." I'm just curious. I'm new around here.
Just about to graduate from 6th grade, eh? Go to the library and read, kid.
> I read both sides. They think Clinton is a god. Y'all think he is the worst person on the face of the earth, or at least in American history. So, how come?
Can you please outline and cite examples...Translation: I am too lazy to do my own research.
for your claim...Translation: for your incorrect belief
that Bill Clinton and his administration were...Translation: I sure do miss him
"...the most corrupt administration in history." ...Translation: I can't believe you F'n Freeper's are ignoring Tricky Dick!!!
I'm just curious. ...Translation: I am just trying to see who falls for this trolling stunt
I'm new around here....Translation: I am a Troll
I read both sides....Translation: And believe one, laugh at the other.
They think Clinton is a god. ...Translation: As do I.
Y'all think he is the worst person on the face of the earth,...Translation: I can try and talk redneck to be like the rest of Y'all
or at least in American history. So, how come?...Translation: I don't know WTFIATA.
So try this as a partial answer:
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
Who is this "they", newbie?
Charles Krauthammer's Presidential Corruption Index.