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To: rwrcpa1; Algernon Sidney
You can give money away tax free under the fair tax. Not so under current tax law, except for limited amounts each year.
But what happens with the receiver purchases things with the gift? It's taxed.

You really need to understand real values. Today, if I get a $10,000 gift and pay no income taxes on it, I can buy $10,000 worth of stuff. It's real value is $10,000. With the FairTax, if I get a $10,000 gift, I can only buy $7,700 worth of stuff. It's real value is $7,700.

Today, if I get a $100,000 gift and pay a 23% income tax, it's no different than getting $100,000 and and paying 23% of it when I spend it. The real values are the same.


Not so. Most individual's investments are in tax deferred retirement accounts. This money is taxed as ordinary income when it is pulled out under current tax law.
But retired people under the income tax are taxed at a much lower rate than they would be under the FairTax. In 2002, the median effective tax rate on the elderly for the taxes the FairTax replace was 5.4%. That's significantly less than the 23% FairTax rate.

In real values, $1,000 investment income under an effective 5.4% tax rate has a real value of $946. Under the FairTax it has an effective rate of $770.
29 posted on 04/21/2005 11:57:52 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
Today, if I get a $10,000 gift and pay no income taxes on it, I can buy $10,000 worth of stuff. It's real value is $10,000.

Wrong, you can't buy $10,000 worth of stuff because you have to pay sales tax (unless you live where there are no sales taxes). Also, if you buy gas, tobacco, etc. there are taxes that are built into the price (federal and state).

With the FairTax, if I get a $10,000 gift, I can only buy $7,700 worth of stuff. It's real value is $7,700.

Unless you buy pre-owned goods, then you pay no taxes. Also, if you deposit the money into an interest earning account under the current system you will pay taxes on the interest, but not under the fair tax.

30 posted on 04/21/2005 12:07:55 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Your Nightmare

I still have a choice where to spend my money to save taxes.


31 posted on 04/21/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Your Nightmare
"Today, if I get a $10,000 gift and pay no income taxes on it, I can buy $10,000 worth of stuff."

yeah!
well, except for the hidden taxes that are passed on to me via corporations and employers, but since those taxes are hidden I can pretend that they are not there. I mean no corporation or employer would pass on a tax just because they can. I'm sure that they pay those taxes fully and wouldn't even consider making that money up via me...sure.
34 posted on 04/21/2005 12:26:57 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: Your Nightmare

"You really need to understand real values. Today, if I get a $10,000 gift and pay no income taxes on it, I can buy $10,000 worth of stuff. It's real value is $10,000. With the FairTax, if I get a $10,000 gift, I can only buy $7,700 worth of stuff. It's real value is $7,700."

Of course, you ignore the fact that if that $7,700 worth of "stuff" were produced in the USA, it would have cost approximately $10,000 under the current tax system.


"That's significantly less than the 23% FairTax rate."

As you know the EFFECTIVE rate of the FairTax only approaches (but never quite reaches) 23% only for relatively high consumption levels. In fact, those consuming exactly at the poverty level will have a 0% effective rate - and that doesn't count the benefit of seeing pre-tax prices of US produced goods decline. In effect, there is an INCREASE in purchasing power up to the poverty level.


46 posted on 04/21/2005 1:52:35 PM PDT by phil_will1
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