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To: Dan Evans
-- this steady erosion of treating private businesses as if they were public entities continues. It started a long time ago when the constitution was turned on its head and the restrictions on Congress suddenly applied to the states.

Read Article VI -- The Constitution has always applied to States & their officials. -- Just as it applies to all citizens & residents.

Now they are saying that those same sanctions apply to citizens.

Why do you refer to the provisions of our BOR's as "sanctions"? Why do you want citizens to be able to restrict & ignore the liberties of their peers?

And people like you are buying it. So sad.

You've bought into authoritarianism, not me..

406 posted on 04/23/2005 7:23:13 AM PDT by P_A_I
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To: P_A_I
Read Article VI -- The Constitution has always applied to States & their officials. -- Just as it applies to all citizens & residents.

No, not until the 14th amendment turned the Constitution on it's head. The 6th amendment says that state law can't override the Constitution, but the 9th and 10th say that states rights prevail unless mentioned in the Constitution and cannot be overwritten by Congress.

Of course, the 14th amendment changed all that. Before then, states were free to establish a state church because the 1st amendment only applied to Congress.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Since property owners had always been allowed to decide who could be on their property, and employers had always been allowed to decide who their employees were, that right was retained when the Constitution was written.

Why do you refer to the provisions of our BOR's as "sanctions"?

Because they prohibit government agencies from creating laws against weapons.

Why do you want citizens to be able to restrict & ignore the liberties of their peers?

I don't. I don't want another citizen to pass a law banning gun ownership. I don't want him to be able to fine me or put me in jail for having a gun. I don't want him to be able to confiscate my property if I am a gun owner. I don't want any law against gun owners or the right to carry arms.

Employers should not be allowed to take away rights of citizens because they carry guns. But, yes, the employer can fire an employee for having a gun because a job is not a "right", it is a agreement between two people. A contract. So if an employer says he won't employ gun owners he is not taking away a right, he is not passing a law, he is merely exercising his right.

If your girlfriend says she's going to dump you unless you get rid of your guns, she is not violating the Constitution.

If a farmer says a fisherman can come on his land as long as he doesn't bring guns, he is not violating the Constitution.

You've bought into authoritarianism, not me

I am against authoritarian governments. But people should have authority over who they can select as their friends, peers, their clients, their employees, or their customers for whatever reason they choose.

408 posted on 04/23/2005 8:52:29 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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