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Liberal US catholics dismayed at choice of Pope
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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko

BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.

Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.

Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.

"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'

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Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.

"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.

"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.

Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.

Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".


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To: SuziQ
The main thing the Catholic Church needs to do in the wake of the pedophile priest scandal is to reject homosexual applicants to the seminaries.

More than 90% of the proven molestations were priests with young boys, approximately 95% who were sexually mature at ages 11 and above.

Keep the homosexuals out of the priesthood and the pedophilia problem disappears.

181 posted on 04/19/2005 7:52:38 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: Northern Yankee
Here's a shocker... I am thinking of entering the deaconite program in a few years.

WOW!!

I can't think of a better candidate for such a position!

Your diocese will be lucky to have you as a future deacon!

182 posted on 04/19/2005 7:53:38 PM PDT by kstewskis (Viva il Papa Benedict XVI!)
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To: fortunecookie


Backlogged?
LOL!


183 posted on 04/19/2005 7:53:41 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Alex Marko
Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement.

I'm running out of sympathy for these people.

In retrospect, they remind me of the Tailhook "scandal". In the end it was not about women being groped by drunk aviators and all about an agenda to get women in the military. SNAP appears to have its own agenda.

184 posted on 04/19/2005 7:53:42 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: ArrogantBustard

Wow he's not the only one I'm sure HAHAHAHAHAHA


185 posted on 04/19/2005 7:53:48 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Miss Marple
Good evening. I wish you well on your journey to the Catholic faith.

Heck, you are already a part of my family anyway. ;^)

5.56mm

186 posted on 04/19/2005 7:54:41 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Ann Archy
We had a really good one, but he was forced out ---- see we get lots of big-money libs in here...

He wasn't liked, so they brought in a feel-good, type of guy.

I left there and went to another, same thing.

I keep trying though...

187 posted on 04/19/2005 7:54:41 PM PDT by coder2
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I know the MSM is ONLY showing lesbian, liberal nuns....not having seen a nun i Habit since I was a child, I an wondring if there are any left in the USA.


188 posted on 04/19/2005 7:55:29 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
I've met these folks in my time, and they still haven't told me why it is that none of this Priest abuse business happened until we started listening to "progressive" theologians

This "priest abuse business" started cranking up in the 1950s, under Pius XII, and was going full bore in the 60s and 70s.

189 posted on 04/19/2005 7:57:06 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Jim Noble

ff topic, but is fr. Martin that Joe Scarboug has had on, author of "The Good Comapnay"...is he GAY? He looks and acts gay and he's VERY LIBERAL.....just wondering.


190 posted on 04/19/2005 7:57:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: coder2
Oh PLEASE don't give up!!!

I had to travel MILES and MILES in Ohio to find a priestly priest.....but I did......my parish priest practically turned this cradle Catholc to Hatred, but I wouldn't allow that liberal priest n Ohio to do that to me.

191 posted on 04/19/2005 8:01:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Northern Yankee

you have freepmail!


192 posted on 04/19/2005 8:02:27 PM PDT by kstewskis (Viva il Papa Benedict XVI!)
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To: caisson71
Their hope of a "living gospel" is dashed...

It reminds me of the similar position by "progressive" people who want the Constitution to be a living document that changes with every social whim.

But the Constitution is a living document, and it includes very specific procedures to follow if it is to be modified.

The gospel doesn't.

193 posted on 04/19/2005 8:03:28 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: Alex Marko

Not to "Liberal 'Catholics'":

1) No one cares what you think---you are irrelevant. THe Pontiff gives you instruction in Dogma and Doctrine--not vice versa.

2) If you do not like the new Holy Father or his policies, I suggest that you go to your local Diocese and renounce your Catholic Faith--something you have already done in deeds, if not in words.

3) BUGGER OFF!


194 posted on 04/19/2005 8:05:57 PM PDT by swordfish71 (PRAYERS for TEXAS COWBOY!!!)
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To: StopGlobalWhining

I applaud this Pope for his letter to the Catholic bishops instructing them to deny communion to those politicians (i.e., John Kerry) who advocate abortion and euthanasia.


195 posted on 04/19/2005 8:05:59 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: swordfish71

for "NOT" read "NOTE"


196 posted on 04/19/2005 8:06:33 PM PDT by swordfish71 (PRAYERS for TEXAS COWBOY!!!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I'm Jewish, so I freely admit I don't know much about Catholicism. HOWEVER, I do know that if you are in a group and you don't like the rules of that group, why don't you just start your own group?


197 posted on 04/19/2005 8:07:32 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Alex Marko

They can all go join Vicky Gene Robinson's Church, I'm sure they'll all be happy there.


198 posted on 04/19/2005 8:07:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Soul Seeker

These people are fools if they believe they have the power to overwrite God's Word. Which they do believe. His Word is Absolute. Eternal. Incorruptable.




And...they will find that out.


199 posted on 04/19/2005 8:08:01 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: syriacus

Catholics can have free choice. They can choose to be Catholic or leave. Either way.


200 posted on 04/19/2005 8:08:49 PM PDT by cubreporter
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