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The Daily Mississippian ^ | 04/15/05 | Joy Douglas

[Dan from Michigan]

But culture is another matter.

[cyborg]

There's a lot to be said for culture. I never thought of Americans as being 'ethnic' or 'racial'. There's a lot of regional pride like 'southron pride' etc. etc. New Yorker type stuff,etc.

[wardaddy]

Well said and thorough but I must confess I disagree with more of what you wrote than I agree with.

I like all the folks you mentioned but they are qualifiers....but most welcome nonetheless.

My experience in the third world leads me to distrust that culture coming here en masse.

Nor do I think we should allow everyone in here legal or otherwise on the scale we now do.

The voting records of most immigrants since the 1965 act are not in our favor by a long shot. Continuing that trend to me seems foolish.

Now...I wish those immigrants were more whitebread simply so it would take the race argument out of the equation and we could deal with the issues rationally..

I don't think there is any way to avoid Bilbo comparisons if we attack immigration and in particular the illegal variety given where most of them today come from. My enemies are going to use that. It's their big arrow and we have become hypersensitive to such accusations, That is a critical juncture where you and I diverge btw.

Our population has increased by 1/3rd in just 30 years and 75% of that is due to immigration legal or otherwise. Approximately 1/4 of those are "caucazoids" mostly non-European.

It wouldn't matter where they come from. It's still too much in my view. At this rate will will pass one half billion by 2005 and over half our population will be from post-1970 stock.

Genetics have nothing to do with that though admittedly it would be more apparent were they all Somalis.

I also worry about assimilation. I simply do not see assimilation as a goal anymore for recent immigrants. I took my family to Edwin Warner park today and it was swarmed almost entirely by immigrants.

Kurds...who actually fit my "refugee" design and should be allowed here but they are not assimilating much. Maybe in 50 years. They are mostly muslim which I confess troubles me.

Beacoup Mexicans....who knows how many. Nuff said. No assimilation there that I can see.

Metro Nashville is probably at least 20% new wave immigrants and amongst the Nigerians, Somalis, Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans I would bet the majority are illegal which is a whole nother matter.

As is national security on that same issue.

For me the problem is culture and it is undeniably to some degree race based....but not completely obviously.

That is what makes it so sticky.

In my view, the Poles, Jews, Irish, Scandinavians, Germans, Greeks and Italians who came in waves (smaller) from 1840 to 1920s came from cultures which had much more in common with here than do the current waves from Central America, Asia etc.

To me that is obvious and inescapably racial to some degree but more by timing, geography and fate than by design. It was inevitable that Europe would follow Europeans.

Like I said. You gave a great explanation of your beliefs and I respect that. I had never heard of AR until today and I sort of just glanced at it and saw National Front which I would agree raises eyebrows..lol.

But...I probably am more tolerant of "white" ethnocentricity than you are and I don't really consider the morality of racial identity till it reaches Nazism, Klan, or Nation of Islam proportions.

Our age differences probably play into this.


and after finishing this I've decided to send this freep.

It's just better that way. We southerners have to stick together.

charlie

[wardaddy]

Well.

Sorry Hell's Bells.

I had not intended to post a slight disagreement to a friend.

Dang buttons.

They do that on purpose..lol

[wardaddy]

(2050)

ugh

[longtermmemmory]

You mean like the advertisements for the BET channel?

When they were doing the promos before the election, those ads were pur racism.

[spodefly]

Good post. BTTT.

I am not familiar with AR, but most of the 'white pride' groups are horribly antisemitic, in addition to their other repugnant positions.

My take on this ad being rejected though is one wherein the double standard of 'Political Correctness' won out as much as the 'racist' objection. I suspect that if the college's local chapter of MEChA had placed an ad, it would not have been rejected. MEChA is advocating for a separate homeland and is as equally 'brown supremacist' as AR is likely to be 'white supremacist'.

[spodefly]

Don't worry ... you'll get the hang of this whole 'posting' thing eventually ... :)

[wardaddy]

well at least I din't curse, give out a phone number or speak horribly about another freeper.

i have done that once early on and mercifully the AM heeded my pleas promptly.

I'll let this one stand. Bourbon is a fine lad....much smarter than myself and exponentially more articulate and no one ever said we have to agree on every nuance here.

besides with so many well defined enemies around...

[HighFlier]

What you might be missing is the fact that there is big money and power in the US today for having and defining things by pride in one's color and race - except for whites of course.

[bourbon]

I had not intended to post a slight disagreement to a friend.

Quite all right. I posted my response to you publicly, and turnabout is fair play. :-)

[bourbon]

Bourbon is a fine lad....much smarter than myself

Many thanks for the flattery (even if it isn't true). :-)

[wardaddy]

I just came back from claening up car wash A and while sweeping....it dawned on me that your more idealistic than mine view of immigration is quite to be expected from the soon to be proud father of

IRISH TWINS

;>)

[bourbon]

Another _very_ good point. :-p

Btw, I favor greater limitations on immigration (particularly, illegal immigration) than is currently practiced. As far as practical policy is concerned, there is probably very little we disagree about on this issue.

I just thought this AR ad was racist, and you didn't. No biggie.

[Hank Rearden]

American Renaissance will be refunded the $220.50 paid for the three-column, 10 inch ad.

So the ad runs, and they get their money back. Thus, the ad ran for free.

And it ran again in this article, plus gets lots of publicity.

Pretty smooth.

[Popman]

Hispanic is NOT a race

You kidding right? < / sarcasm >

You must have me confused with somebody else, as nowhere in my post did I say Hispanics were a race.

Reread what I wrote

If my white third generation half Russian son marries a fourth generation black women, their children will not look pasty white like me.

That was my point. In 40 years because of the new generation of immigrants all caucasian people will be a minority, which is fine by me as long as they are Americans first

[wardaddy]

Your words:

The future generations do to different hertiages currently immigrating legally and illegally, will be all sorts of mixed colors and races. Hispanic with white, black with white, asian with hispanic, etc, etc, etc.

Sorry to have gotten confused that you implied hispanic was a race but why did you pair the term with "white". Plenty of Hispanics are "white" ....Cubans, Argentinians, Chileans etc

As for the rest, you have your opinion.

[antisocial]

"It's stupid for one to be proud of one's race - any color."

You cannot take pride in your culture without admitting that one's race might be included as a part of the culture.