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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Another demonstration on how you want to operate.

I made a statement the deals with the issue of jobs that Americans don't want to do. The jobs that Americans don't want to do is is the most central/most important issue when it comes to illegals and guest workers.

This is a subject you don't want to talk about because you know that there are jobs and no one here wants to them.

If you don't want sandblast, How about laying asphalt in the west Texas sun? Changing sheets and cleaning toilets at the NoTell Motel? Tin Bending has a great future?

31 posted on 04/15/2005 1:03:06 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
If you don't want sandblast, How about laying asphalt in the west Texas sun?

I'm fully aware of what you're trying to say but the law is the law is it not? You seem to be implying illegals can do what ever they want, enter illegally, use phony documents, lie continously but because no one in the hot sun of Texas supposedly wants to sandblast we should look the other way.

Don't you think the proponents of a guest worker program would have a more legitimate claim we need these workers if the law was enforced and illegals sent home first? It would be clear at that point with the economy collapsing and all how badly we must have them around.

33 posted on 04/15/2005 1:13:21 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ben Ficklin

oh this is rich. with every post by the pro-illegal bunch the elitist snobby agenda is further revealed.

who's going to pick your cotton massa? certainly not little Johnny and Jane Johnson... oh no, they're much to GOOD for that! and they have soccer practice!

is this what our public leaders think? are they too just a bunch of elitists soft-handed snobs who think these alien spanish speaking people should be doing the dirty slave labor for them?
i find that disgusting.

maybe you and your pro-illegal buddies should have been raised to learn how to work ... and i mean WORK for a living. maybe you all should have taught YOUR children to work to earn a buck.

your pro class division rhetoric is offensive to us blue collar types with NO "higher" education who make a living doing skilled and not so skilled labor - all the while paying our taxes and obeying the laws. my husband taught himself to run a crane at 17 years old and ended up operating the biggest crane in the state. he taught himself welding and traveled all over this country from southern texas to Barrow Alaska doing that. he ruined his knees kneeling in the permafrost for 14 hour days, 7 days a week, welding pipe in MINUS 40 below zero. i have worked at menial jobs before we had kids - a sawmill at 16 to a welders helper, and my kids have dug fence posts in 100PLUS heat, scrubbed public toilets, broke horses and had their own business at 17 and 18 yrs old to pay for school. while their friends had mommy and daddy paying for school they were out all summer with no weekends off working in the dirt and dust and mud and creosote peeling the skin right off their faces piling RRTies and banding them. they paid for a total of 7 years of school in 2 summers doing jobs other 18 year olds were TOO DANG GOOD to do. they paid for the ILLEGAL's tuiting too - someone has to pay it - who do you think makes up the difference?

looks like this isn't a "economic problem" after all. it's an elitist, spoiled, lazy, fat, problem. looks like people like you would rather max out the credit cards or have Johnny apply for student loans or have Grandpa Rich pay for a 2005 car and tuition rather than tell Johnny - "get off yer fat lazy duff and go learn how to work and save your money - then go to school. go get a job on the Texas Highway for the summer, boy!"

thanks for the insight. i already suspected it, but you made it clear. their IS a class distinction in this country and i'm dang glad i was born to a humble hard working HONEST LAW-ABIDING American farmer and then married one and then raised two more. the snotty elitists need to start scrubbing their own toilets - slavery was abolished in this nation, stop trying to bring it back.


42 posted on 04/15/2005 3:09:50 PM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Ben Ficklin
This is a subject you don't want to talk about because you know that there are jobs and no one here wants to them.

If you don't want sandblast, How about laying asphalt in the west Texas sun? Changing sheets and cleaning toilets at the NoTell Motel? Tin Bending has a great future?

You are either dishonest, or you don't get out much...Americans will do 'all' of these jobs...And Americans 'do' all of these jobs...And, tin knockers make pretty good money...

51 posted on 04/15/2005 4:52:35 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Ben Ficklin
I made a statement the deals with the issue of jobs that Americans don't want to do. The jobs that Americans don't want to do is is the most central/most important issue when it comes to illegals and guest workers.

From the article:

"...86 people have been found to be working illegally for a San Diego military contractor, more than half the company's 167-person work force."

Let's see, 86 out of 167 workers were illegal aliens. That means that the other 81 workers weren't illegal aliens. Now what was that you were saying about jobs that Americans don't want to do?

55 posted on 04/15/2005 5:04:42 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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