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Terri Schiavo: The Issues
Code Blue ^ | April 2005

Posted on 04/15/2005 6:20:05 AM PDT by robertbrown

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1 posted on 04/15/2005 6:20:05 AM PDT by robertbrown
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Well. Bottom line. Terri was the "landmark case" that FELOS and his outfit needed to establish the criteria for offing "undesirables" in the future Coldblooded Utopia he and his cohorts seek to give us. Mikey and Greer were the useful stooges (IMO) they had to have in order to enable them. - They don't factor in a living God. Science is their god (IMO).


2 posted on 04/15/2005 6:47:47 AM PDT by Twinkie (It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.)
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To: robertbrown

Thank you for a very thought provoking article.


3 posted on 04/15/2005 6:51:34 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: robertbrown
Good article.

it was disingenuous for experts to put Terri's CT slice side-by-side with a normal 25 year-old female's CT.

And, worse, when at least one "expert" on the news placed those CT slices side by side and stated: This is a human brain; and this is Terri's.

4 posted on 04/15/2005 7:42:58 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: robertbrown
As a physician, I strongly object to actuating death.

"Actuating death" - I wonder if there are some synonyms for "actuating death."

5 posted on 04/15/2005 7:47:35 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

I rather like it. It makes a clear distinction, in my mind at least, between easing an inevitable decline (say giving enough morphine to terminal cancer patient with intractable pain, even though it may shorten the period before death) and creating that decline.


6 posted on 04/15/2005 9:06:04 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: robertbrown

The "redefinition" of nutrition and hydration into
optional "medical" interventions has a long history
but I do not know all the details. I have seen a
1988 (yes 1988) article by Dr. Fred Rosner deploring
the proposals then beginning to surface. There might
be more at http://www.hospicepatients.org




7 posted on 04/15/2005 3:01:47 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: robertbrown

G*d Bless you bump!


8 posted on 04/15/2005 3:07:48 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: robertbrown; Peach

Peach, honey, come tell this doctor how emotional, irrational, and hysterical he is that he doesn't even know that Terri's brain has TURNED TO WATER, as you have so shrilly proclaimed time and time and time again in an effort to shame and silence anyone who came to Terri's defense.


9 posted on 04/15/2005 3:41:15 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: cycjec

You said, "The "redefinition" of nutrition and hydration into
optional "medical" interventions has a long history
but I do not know all the details. I have seen a
1988 (yes 1988) article by Dr. Fred Rosner deploring
the proposals then beginning to surface. There might
be more at http://www.hospicepatients.org"

I've just started reading "Culture of Death," by Wesley J. Smith, and he goes into a lot of the history of how that happened. It is a very informative book, and I highly recommend it for learning important background for those who are seeking justice in the face of what was done to Terri.


10 posted on 04/15/2005 5:59:28 PM PDT by MarilynBr
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To: robertbrown

Powerful and thank you for posting. It is really reassuring to read that there are doctors who practice healing and comfort rather than the overly eager euthanasiacs.


11 posted on 04/15/2005 8:28:27 PM PDT by harpo11 (Democrat Leaders are a bunch of backseat drivers.-Don't know how to drive, but sure tell us how to.)
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To: MarilynBr
I am also reading "Culture of Death." Very illuminating, isn't it? Amazing that the forces of death could have been so well organized and successful in implementing their agenda without the vast majority of people even having a clue about what was going on.

There's a whole lot about this that I still don't understand but that makes me very worried.
12 posted on 04/16/2005 4:50:40 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima

It's obvious you don't mind being known as a Class A liar. Sad.


13 posted on 04/16/2005 5:50:37 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Peach

Why am I a liar? Did you not state what I said? Did you not believe it to have been the case?


14 posted on 04/16/2005 8:45:25 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima

Why don't you find a link to that? I'll wait.


15 posted on 04/16/2005 8:47:10 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
I wonder if there are some synonyms for "actuating death."

Natural death (cough* by dehydration *cough).

16 posted on 04/16/2005 8:47:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Twinkie
Terri was the "landmark case" that FELOS and his outfit needed to establish the criteria for offing "undesirables" in the future

Not so. The precedent was set earlier, in Florida, in the Browning case.

Supreme Court of Florida.

In re GUARDIANSHIP OF Estelle M. BROWNING.
STATE of Florida, Petitioner,
v.
Doris F. HERBERT, etc., Respondent.

No. 74174.

Sept. 13, 1990.

BARKETT, Justice.

We have for review In re Guardianship of Browning, 543 So.2d 258 (Fla. 2d DCA 1989), in which the district court certified the following question as one of great public importance:

Whether the guardian of a patient who is incompetent but not in a permanent vegetative state and who suffers from an incurable, but not terminal condition, may exercise the patient's right of self-determination to forego sustenance provided artificially by a nasogastric tube?

Id. at 274. [FN1] We answer the question in the affirmative as qualified in this opinion.

FN1. We have jurisdiction. Art. V, 3(b)(4), Fla. Const. Estelle Browning died on July 16, 1989, at the age of 89. Although the claim is moot, we accept jurisdiction because the issue raised is of great public importance and likely to recur. In re T.W., 551 So.2d 1186, 1189 (Fla.1989); Holly v. Auld, 450 So.2d 217, 218 n. 1 (Fla.1984).

I. THE FACTS

On November 19, 1985, a competent Estelle Browning executed a declaration that provides, in part:

If at any time I should have a terminal condition and if my attending physician has determined that there can be no recovery from such condition and that my death is imminent, I direct that life-prolonging procedures be withheld or withdrawn when the application of such procedures would serve only to prolong artificially the process of dying.


17 posted on 04/16/2005 8:52:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1383308/posts?page=923#923 <-
Daniel Eisenberg, M.D., on the difference between medical and ethical decisions.
18 posted on 04/16/2005 8:54:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Peach
I'm not going to research your extensive posting history to find what you said. I am going by memory, which is usually pretty good. If you tell me that you never said that Terri's brain was water/fluid/mush or had been virtually destroyed then I will accept your word and conclude that my memory was faulty in this instance until such time as it is proven otherwise.

I will also ask you other questions, such as whether you concede that posters on your side of this argument made such statements and that you failed to contradict then.
19 posted on 04/16/2005 9:15:12 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima

#1. I have quoted what doctors who actually treated Terri have said. Under oath. In a court of law. Based on multiple brain scans. Nothing more.

#2. Your comment that posters on "my side of the argument" made statements and I failed to contradict them makes no sense. Are you saying that I have to read every single comment about this matter?

#3. Why don't I turn that around. Why haven't you contradicted the posters on "your side of the argument" who have told outright, provable lies about this matter?


20 posted on 04/16/2005 9:19:23 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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