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Clashing Military Cultures
NY Post ^ | 13 April, 2005 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 04/14/2005 5:15:57 PM PDT by Lysandru

CLASHING MILITARY CULTURES

By RALPH PETERS

April 13, 2005 -- LAST month, I sat in the of fice of Col. Jon "Dog" Davis, a veteran Marine aviator. While at war, the Corps' pilots had seen a rise in their accident rate. Davis was determined to do something about it. I wanted to be sympathetic, so I said, "Well, you're flying some very old aircraft."

Davis, a taut, no-nonsense Marine, looked me in the eye and said, "They may be old, but they're good. That's no excuse."

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Morally bankrupt, the Air Force is willing to turn a blind eye to the pressing needs of soldiers and Marines at war in order to get more of its $300-million-apiece junk fighters. With newer, far more costly aircraft than the Marines possess, the Air Force pleads that it just can't defend our country without devouring the nation's defense budget.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aviators; editorial; marines; newsactivism; ralphpeters; usaf
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To: conservativeharleyguy
"Peace is our Profession": The former motto of the former Strategic Air Command (SAC).

When USMC goes to war, a lot of bad guys die, a few civilians die, and some real-estate gets messed up.

When SAC goes to war, civilisations end.

121 posted on 04/19/2005 8:29:59 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lysandru

With all the drone technology we have, the Air Force is going away. But they will fight to the death for survival.


122 posted on 04/19/2005 8:31:13 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: Pukin Dog
Can't help what you think dog

I wiff (as you say) at the offensive capability of this platform because what you are telling me is that in spite of the B2, B1, Air Launched cruise missiles and Naval strike capability from aircraft, surface and subsurface our national OFFENSIVE capability will be crippled if we don't get this thing

I wiff, I do wiff. To paraphrase Monty Python "I wiff in your general direction".

But I don't doubt for a moment that you are a Marine Colonel and that you have always served your country faithfully and well.

All the best

Qatar-6

123 posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:29 PM PDT by Qatar-6
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To: Qatar-6
First, I am not a Marine Colonel and never was. I was a reserve grunt until I graduated from College and became a Naval Officer.

Nowhere did I suggest our forces were crippled. You have a gift for hyperbole in addition to your other faults. If you don't understand that there are targets for this bird that nothing else can hit, then I would suggest that Google cant teach you everything you know to hang in this discussion.

'Pukin Dog' aint just a handle son. Google that, and you will know where I spent the better parts of my career. Had you spent any time in this area, my handle and tagline would have told you all you need to know.

Okay, now I am really done, so if you respond again you get the honor of the last word in our argument.

124 posted on 04/19/2005 5:31:38 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
I grew up the son of a marine and experienced the "grunt" life secondhand. It was enough for me to seek a more "comfortable" life, if you get my drift. I'm know hero, but I am proud of my contributions in to my country, and yes it offends me when other people need to build themselves up at the expense of others. Especially, when comments are made so free and easy over the internet, without fear of retribution. Now, go back and sharpen your tent peg. P.S> your such a he-man why didn't you join the Marines! (bye)
125 posted on 04/20/2005 3:43:45 PM PDT by amakua
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To: Rokke; Puking Dog
Back from London. . .and if I see an opening I'll jump right in. As it stands, you and Puking Dog are giving Q-man the a$$-whipping of his life.

I'm getting some popcorn as this is entertaining.

;-)
126 posted on 04/20/2005 4:03:33 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: hubbubhubbub
>>With all the drone technology we have, the Air Force is going away. <<

When they replace the Army with remote controlled tanks in a 2-D, slow speed environment, only then will I consider the possibility that sonic to hyper-sonic, 3-D jets may be replaced by UAV's.

Learn to walk then run.
127 posted on 04/20/2005 4:08:52 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2; hubbubhubbub

G2,

To add to your argument:
1. UAV technology needs a couple of generational jumps forward to be able to go into hostile airspace, accomplish an assigned mission and make it home. Until then, piloted aircraft are absolutely neccessary to make sure the unpiloted aircraft don't get schwacked.
2. Even if we can do away with the silk scarf in the cockpit, the Air Force, using US Air Force pilots, is the primary operator of our armed UAV fleet and continue to grow UAV squadrons to accomplish the mission.

The way I see it, the Air Force is ensuring their survival by leading the UAV charge.


128 posted on 04/21/2005 10:20:00 AM PDT by Francis McClobber
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