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To: rdb3

liberal ?? -- End of discussion.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 2:25:34 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: EagleUSA

Scoop Jackson was the first Zell Miller.


4 posted on 04/14/2005 2:27:14 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: EagleUSA; MadIvan
Not necessarily liberal. I found it interesting since it's from the U.K. I could be wrong, but I don't know about this one.

Ping to the other side of the pond.


5 posted on 04/14/2005 2:27:43 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: EagleUSA

1. Believes that modern liberal democracies set an example to which the rest of the world should aspire.
2. Supports a ‘forward strategy’ to assist those countries that are not yet liberal and democratic to become so. This would involve the full spectrum of our ‘carrot’ capacities, be they diplomatic, economic, cultural or political, but also, when necessary, those ‘sticks’ of the military domain.
3. Supports the maintenance of a strong military, by the United States, the countries of the European Union and other democratic powers, armed with expeditionary capabilities with a global reach.
4. Supports the necessary furtherance of European military modernisation and integration under British leadership, preferably within NATO.
5. Stresses the importance of unity between the world’s great democracies, represented by institutions such as NATO, the European Union and the OECD, amongst many others.
6. Believes that only modern liberal democratic states are truly legitimate, and that any international organisation which admits undemocratic states on an equal basis is fundamentally flawed.
7. Gives two cheers for capitalism. There are limits to the market, which needs to serve the Democratic Community and should be reconciled to the environment.
8. Accepts that we have to set priorities and that sometimes we have to compromise, but insists that we should never lose sight of our fundamental values. This means that alliances with repressive regimes can only be temporary. It also means a strong commitment to individual and civil liberties in democratic states, even and especially when we are under attack.


They have some of the "words" but I don't think they have the "music"


8 posted on 04/14/2005 2:30:51 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: EagleUSA

Classic liberalism (Locke, Montesquieu, Hume, jefferson, Madison, et al) bears little, if any, resemblance to neoliberalism (Kennedy, Kerrey, Carter, Rodham, et al).

The group sounds interesting


11 posted on 04/14/2005 3:04:50 PM PDT by Irontank (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under)
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To: EagleUSA; rdb3; liberallarry
liberal ?? -- End of discussion.

From Wikipedia:

The term liberal in liberal arts originally meant "appropriate for free men."
The Democrats coopted the term "liberal." While philosophy, history, languages, and the arts have unbreakable ties to the hard sciences, the leftists have coopted "liberal arts" on our university campuses.

We can ignore the left's abuse of the word liberal at our own peril. It shouldn't be that free men allow themselves to be limited by the notion that "liberal" is wrong.

13 posted on 04/14/2005 8:10:10 PM PDT by risk
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