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To: adiaireton8

Why do you think the term born again is used in the Bible? Do you not see the correlation that as a babe is sinless in God's eyes, so too is a "born again" Christian with Christ's blood covering his/her sin.
I called them YOUR "Fathers" because my Father is God Almighty. Not some sinner like the Pope,all his cardinals, bishops, priests, fathers, you and me.
As to what is not taught in the Bible, but is implied by these Fathers of yours, I trust in Mark 7:7-9. I will not substitute man's ideas for God's commandments. His word is complete and needs no creeds from men to clarify.


843 posted on 04/15/2005 7:40:08 PM PDT by OkieAcres
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To: OkieAcres
Why do you think the term born again is used in the Bible?

Because it accurately communicates spiritual regeneration.

Do you not see the correlation that as a babe is sinless in God's eyes, so too is a "born again" Christian with Christ's blood covering his/her sin.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the doctrine of original sin. St. Paul teaches that through Adam, all were made sinners, and tainted with the guilt of sin. (Rom 5:12) That is why some infants die. The Bible teaches that death is a result of sin. But if infants have no original sin, then there would be no infant mortality. But there is infant mortality. Infants are sinners by [second] nature, and *that* is why they commit actual sins as they reach the age of accountability. Pelagianism is the heresy that denied original sin.

I called them YOUR "Fathers" because my Father is God Almighty.

God is my Father too. But Paul calls Abraham "father" (Rom 4). Paul calls Isaac "our father" (Rom 9:10). Paul calls himself "father" of the Corinthians (1 Cor 4:15) The fact that God is our Father does not preclude humans from being our Fathers in different (and lesser) senses.

Not some sinner like the Pope,all his cardinals, bishops, priests, fathers, you and me.

Do you think anyone denies that the Pope etc. are sinners? Peter and the Apostles were sinners, but yet they had authority over the Church. Being an authority in the Church is compatible with being a sinner.

As to what is not taught in the Bible, but is implied by these Fathers of yours, I trust in Mark 7:7-9.

Unfortunately, you have misinterpreted the verse. It is talking about the Pharisees. If Peter and the Apostles make a rule, we [Christians] must comply if we wish to remain in the Church, since Peter and the Apostles have the authority to make such rules, to bind and to loose.

I will not substitute man's ideas for God's commandments.

Is that what you would have told Peter to his face?

His word is complete and needs no creeds from men to clarify.

The Apostles compiled the "Apostle's Creed". Apparently, they thought that this creed *was* necessary. Do you know more than the twelve Apostles?

-A8

849 posted on 04/15/2005 8:21:31 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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