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To: BriarBey
I'd rather listen to rocks than Satan's lies. I'd rather sit alone than sit in idolotry and paganism, there are others out there just like me who know and see and watch...just like we were told to watch. We aren't hurting anyone, we are just warning and watching. But that infuriates the religious just like Christ infuriated the religious.

"Sola Scriptura" is one of Satan's lies. So is schism. In the Nicene Creed, we say that we believe in "unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam" (one, holy, catholic and apostolic church). Those who do not believe in one Church, cannot affirm the Nicene Creed. Nor can those who do not believe in the *Apostolic* Church, the one in organic continuity with the Apostles. Anybody can have a meeting and call it "church" (which the Fathers called "unauthorized gatherings"), but the Apostolic Church is the organic body with organic connections to the Apostles. Those "churches" without Apostolic orders, i.e. without duly ordained bishops or priests whose orders extend back to the Apostles themselves, cannot affirm the Nicene Creed.

Idolatory and paganism are not part of Catholic doctrine. If you actually took time to study the Catholic Catechism, you would know this. At the root of your position is "sola scriptura". That is what leads so many people astray. Sola scriptura is Satan's clever trick, because by it one can really be one's own authority (since one gets to determine how Scripture is interpreted, and what books belong to the Bible, etc.), and not have to submit to God's appointed authority. That is why there are around 30,000 Protestant denominations. If you want to know why sola scriptura is wrong, read Not by Scripture Alone: A Catholic Critique of the Protestant Doctrine of Sola Scriptura, edited by Robert A. Sungenis (who studied at Westminster Theological Seminary, a conservative Presbyterian seminary, before becoming a Catholic).

-A8

1,128 posted on 04/21/2005 12:53:42 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Robert A. Sungenis

A neutral source? I can point you to books and articles written by converted priests, but I don't think you would find them compelling.


1,136 posted on 04/21/2005 3:02:53 PM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: adiaireton8

The Anti-Christ......"once was...is not...and is again."
"In the last days, they will call bad, good and good, bad."
"There is nothing NEW under the sun."
"If it were possible even the very ELECT of God will be deceived."

RELIGION and POLITICS crucified Christ....2 of the most corrupt and dangerous forms of power known to mankind.

"God's people are a remnant..."called OUT ones".
"God is the SAME, yesterday , today and tomorrow."

Man kind is building his "Tower of Babel" once again, thinking he can make God in his image.
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Idolatory and paganism are not part of Catholic doctrine.

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Is this kind of like..... annulment is not divorce, it just LOOKS that way?
And Christ paid for our sins in full.......BUT..He just didn't get all of them cause you might have to go visit purgatory. Buying a candle and lighting it will get your loved ones out of there, but who knows how many candles you have to buy or who is there to tell you if you have bought to many candles or not enough candles.

So quick....grab out your little string of beads and chant awhile....God is definately impressed with that.

(I think I read somewhere in scripture where the 12 disciples, were sitting around stringing beads, and Judas said..hey guys, lets forget where Jesus instructed us in praying by saying "Our FATHER who aren't in heaven...and put Jesus's mother in there instead....because after ALL..God who created Adam out of dust and Eve from one rib could not run this show without inventing a sinless woman who can be Mrs. Goddess, who in turn gave birth to God, then we can SELL the beads and people will think they are holy by doing this. And then....we can betray God...hang him on a tree where he can then deny and forsake himself and be put in hell for 3 days for Satan to mess with.

Boy...I tell you, when God said he would send a STRONG delusion on the earth...a person would have to be pretty deluded to believe the way organized religion has taught it.

I read my bible and I can barely match any of these corrupt worldly organizations practices up with any of it. Its so twisted its UNREAL....and people believe it!!!!!!! MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people.






1,141 posted on 04/21/2005 3:56:55 PM PDT by BriarBey ("He Who Does Not Remember History Is Condemned To Repeat It")
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To: adiaireton8
"Sola Scriptura" is one of Satan's lies. So is schism. In the Nicene Creed, we say that we believe in "unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam" (one, holy, catholic and apostolic church). Those who do not believe in one Church, cannot affirm the Nicene Creed. Nor can those who do not believe in the *Apostolic* Church, the one in organic continuity with the Apostles. Anybody can have a meeting and call it "church" (which the Fathers called "unauthorized gatherings"), but the Apostolic Church is the organic body with organic connections to the Apostles. Those "churches" without Apostolic orders, i.e. without duly ordained bishops or priests whose orders extend back to the Apostles themselves, cannot affirm the Nicene Creed.

Idolatory and paganism are not part of Catholic doctrine. If you actually took time to study the Catholic Catechism, you would know this. At the root of your position is "sola scriptura". That is what leads so many people astray. Sola scriptura is Satan's clever trick, because by it one can really be one's own authority (since one gets to determine how Scripture is interpreted, and what books belong to the Bible, etc.), and not have to submit to God's appointed authority. That is why there are around 30,000 Protestant denominations. If you want to know why sola scriptura is wrong, read Not by Scripture Alone: A Catholic Critique of the Protestant Doctrine of Sola Scriptura, edited by Robert A. Sungenis (who studied at Westminster Theological Seminary, a conservative Presbyterian seminary, before becoming a Catholic).

Well said, my friend. Convincing men that he doesn't exist may have been Satan's greatest trick, but his second greatest would definitely be convincing men they are on the same plane as the Holy Spirit via Sola Scriptura.
1,147 posted on 04/21/2005 5:16:00 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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