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To: pensiveproletariat
The Tu-4 was a bolt for bolt copy of the B-29.

There were others as well. Still, existing Russian bombers in production in 1944 were satisfactory for hitting American positions in Western Europe. It was not until 1949 that a threat to America itself by the Tu-4 became a big issue.

111 posted on 04/14/2005 8:45:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; pensiveproletariat
Originally posted by muawiyah:

"The Tu-4 was a bolt for bolt copy of the B-29."

"There were others as well. Still, existing Russian bombers in production in 1944 were satisfactory for hitting American positions in Western Europe. It was not until 1949 that a threat to America itself by the Tu-4 became a big issue."

And as the source I pointed out to you in my message #85 the fact that the initial copies of the B-29 were made in 1947 did not mean that sufficient production levels were achieved until 1950-1953. Your contention that the Soviet Air Force had "existing Russian bombers" available in 1944 for "hitting American positions" in Europe is just laughable. The end of WWII found the Soviets with a large, tactical air force that had absorbed the 'strategic' bomber command, which had in its entire existence performed a few raids on Berlin in the early part of the war, then had hit the capitol of Estonia late in the war. Take a look at the twin-engine 'bombers' that were the mainstay of the Soviet Air Force in WWII. The Soviets copied the Germans in air doctrine, they created weapons for tactical air operations and ignored strategic air doctrine (and the necessary aircraft)...

Look at the table below. You will see that the most numerous twin-engined bomber of the USSR was the IL-4, with about 6,800 produced during WWII. The only four-engined bomber was the Pe-8, which had about 145 produced before and during the war. The USSR had no strategic bomber force, nor the long-range fighter aircraft necessary to escort said non-existent bombers to targets in Western Europe. The Russian fighters were optimized for high-performance, short range combat against the fighters of the Luftwaffe. The Soviet Air Force simply had NO P-51D long-range fighter escort equal... You also might be surprised to find out where most of the USSR's high-octane AVGAS for high-performance engines came from during WWII - the U.S. via the Iranian oil, refineries, pipe-lines and rail tank-cars run by the United States Army.


Design Bureau Aircraft Type Year Engines Range, km Crew
Tupolev TB-3 (ANT-6) Bomber 1931 4x715 V 3225 10-Jun
Tupolev SB-2 Katiusha Bomber 1936 2x830 V 1200 3
Polikarpov I-15 Chato Fighter        
Polikarpov I-16 Mosca Fighter 1937 1x775 rad. 800 1
Ilyushin IL-4 Bob Bomber 1940 2x1100 rad. 4260 4-Mar
Petliakov Pe-8 Bomber 1940 4x1350 V 4700 11
Sukhoi Su-2 Bomber 1940 1x1400 rad. 1100 2
Lavochkin LaGG-3 Fighter 1941 1x1050 V 650 1
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 Fighter 1941 1x1350 V 820 1
Petliakov Pe-2 Bomber 1941 2x1100 V 1000 3
Yakovlev Yak-4 Attack 1941 2x1050 V 1200 2
Illyushin IL-2 Shturmovik Attack 1942 1x1600   2
Lavochkin La-5 Fighter 1943 1x1700 rad. 765 1
Tupolev Tu-2 Bomber 1943 2x1850 rad. 1400 4
Yakovlev Yak-9 Fighter 1943 1x1250 V 1330 1
Illyushin IL-10 Attack 1944 1x2000 V 800 2
Yakovlev Yak-3 Fighter 1944 1x1400 V 900 1


In the sources listed below is an account of the USSR bomber 'raids' on Berlin during the early stages of WWII. Think of these raids on Berlin as on the same scale of the USAAF "Dolittle Raid" on Tokyo in 1942. Strategic air capabilities did not enter the USSR inventory until the 1950s.

Source: The Other Air Forces of the Second World War
Source: Specifications of WWII Soviet bombers
Source: Red Stars over Berlin


dvwjr

140 posted on 04/14/2005 3:52:37 PM PDT by dvwjr
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To: muawiyah
There were others as well. Still, existing Russian bombers in production in 1944 were satisfactory for hitting American positions in Western Europe. It was not until 1949 that a threat to America itself by the Tu-4 became a big issue.

Russian planes flying against western allied targets in Europe would never have returned. Besides a near omnipotent air superiority, we had recently deployed the radar proximity fused anti aircraft shell.

We also refined Time on Target artillery fire, and shortly thereafter mated that fuse with artillery shells for devastating effect with area airbursts. The Soviets wouldn't have known what hit them matched against the west.

152 posted on 04/14/2005 6:43:12 PM PDT by Axenolith (The 23rd Century will be here sooner than you think...)
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