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To: Capt. Tom
Do you think it is possible the universe always existed and therefore never had a beginning.?
Well, yes, at one time I did consider that, in high school and college when pondering the ideas of Hindu thought, and other pantheistic systems. After those considerations, and comparing them to what we actually observe, I rejected them.

I understand our belief that every thing has to have a beginning, but in the case of the universe it might have always existed.
Even the "Big Bang" or "String Theory" explain a "beginning" which had a first cause.
Consider this, let's say that "Big Bang" is accurate, and you have all the matter in the universe crammed into an infintestimal, which then explodes and begins expanding very rapidly. Obviously prior to explosion the infintesimal was stable. How did it become unstable and explode without a cause?
Also, consider this, matter and space in the idea you suggest has no intelligence, reason, logic, morality, ethics which it could pass on to you. Matter is simply reactive, programmed to behave in certain ways under certain conditions. Without the Creator God, you would have no real intelligence, reason, logic, morality or ethics, for nature itself can't pass that on to you by way of evolution.

I know that its hard to comprehend.
That's not the point. It simply doesn't come close to reality.

So to explain the beginning of life etc. many people say God is the creator. When asked where did God come from the answer is He always existed.

See my statement on the Law of First Cause and it's extrapolation to infinity whereas you have to reach an uncaused first cause. I know it's hard to comprehend infinity, but give it a try.

Amazing we can believe something we haven't seen always existed, but can't say the universe which we live in, always existed in some form.
Not really. Do you believe there are "black holes"? Have you ever seen one?

Do you believe there is "wind"? Have you ever seen the wind?

Do you believe in "gravity"? Have you ever seen "gravity"?

25 posted on 04/14/2005 7:36:46 AM PDT by Fiat volvntas tva (I believe in order that I may understand. (St. Augustine))
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To: Fiat volvntas tva
Without the Creator God, you would have no real intelligence, reason, logic, morality or ethics, for nature itself can't pass that on to you by way of evolution.

Since you seem to be having trouble with my post and imply a supernatural being was involved in the creation of the unuverse, answer me this . When did God(Gods) have His (their) beginning. How did God get started? - Tom

28 posted on 04/14/2005 9:54:48 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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