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Mark Steyn: The Icewoman Cometh [To Hill and back]
National Review Online ^ | April 25, 2005 issue | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/13/2005 1:10:44 PM PDT by Constitution Day

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To: Rocky

Exactly right. You can believe that the press and the intelligentsia will be pulling for her. Will the press have enough influence in four years? Who knows? The country will continue to move to the right for four years. Will it be enough? Who knows?


121 posted on 04/13/2005 11:00:21 PM PDT by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: rockthecasbah
Rock, I agree with your concern. a third party candidate emerges who runs to the right on border control, guns, trade issues, etc;

In fact, I would wager a princely sum that Hillary is already contriving circumstances for a renegade "Republican" to split the vote in her favor.

I have predicted many times, right here in FR, that that individual will be none other than John McCain; and, my reasoning is that he would lose in the early primaries, and do a vindictive little scorched earth toward the GOP. This assumes he is not Hillary's veep, which I also see as a possible scenario.

I base the above solely upon intuition and a level of suspicion that rarely rises within moi.

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122 posted on 04/13/2005 11:15:10 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: sine_nomine
Bill should be dead by 2008. I think he would help her in many ways.

And if he refused to help her becoming the widow Clinton, which'd be an advantage for her as a candidate, she's pretty capable of resolving the problem herself... or isn't she?

123 posted on 04/13/2005 11:48:13 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Nachoman
Hillary convinces McCain to run as a third party independent. He siphons off enough Republican votes to give her the election. McCain gets his payoff after inauguration.

If the widow Clinton wins this way, an obvious McCain's payoff could be a marriage to Mrs. President. A win/win situation: both get to the White House.

124 posted on 04/14/2005 12:14:26 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Constitution Day
Festering weeds should be nipped in the bud before they do too much harm to the garden.

Hilary Clinton's political ambition is indeed such a dangerous plant in the American political landscape.
125 posted on 04/14/2005 12:23:46 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Pokey78

bump and thanks!


126 posted on 04/14/2005 1:14:50 AM PDT by lainde
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To: Dog Gone
I think Steyn is wrong. Hillary is not electable.

I pray you are right, but then I remember Jimmy Carter getting elected and I get depressed.

127 posted on 04/14/2005 1:22:17 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: GraceCoolidge
"I am nervous about her candidacy. I thought she was unelectable anywhere... I never even thought she'd win in NY. My family there told me they were absolutely shocked by some of the people who said they were voting for her."


As I stated in post #74 ...


"Most people don't know just how liberal New York and that part of the Eastern seaboard is. Plus look at what happened. Rudy Giuliani pulled out and it was no contest."

Hillary is a lighting rod. Her nomination will, like you, spur Republicans, sane Democrats [?] and people who have never voted, to donate to and help the Republican Party and vote."

This isn't a Senate race. This isn't about what goodies [pork] New Yorkers can get out of a couple of pandering politicians. We are, and will be in 2008, at war. A war where the rubber meets the road. Hillary will be under the tires. ;)"



Whom ever runs for president from the Dimocrat side should make any sane, patriotic American nervous, as any Dimocrat presidency, now, will spell S E L L O U T to the American people

128 posted on 04/14/2005 4:23:50 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: sine_nomine
Thanks for the kind word.

I've got to refrain from these Hitlary posts. With two years to go before we see all the cards, I will become a mumbling lunatic before the hand is dealt. ;)

129 posted on 04/14/2005 4:29:35 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: Casloy
" I pray you are right, but then I remember Jimmy Carter getting elected and I get depressed."

Not to worry. We'll keep things hot and spicy here at home, you do what you must do in Iraq and stay safe. ;) Regards

130 posted on 04/14/2005 4:33:53 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: G.Mason
I hope you're right; but, the MSM will NEVER give her a tough question and she and her comrades will micromanage the press as they did in the 90s.

The MSM will demonize the Republican candidate and Shrillary! will continue to pee champagne as far as they're concerned.

I'm afraid it will be tougher than we think to defeat her.

131 posted on 04/14/2005 4:39:02 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: G.Mason

Yes, I did read your post. Lazio wasn't much of a candidate for sure, but I think her big victory shows that you can't rely too heavily on her "unelectability" to carry the day for the Republicans. Her negatives aren't what I thought they would be in the minds of voters. I lived in NY state much of my life, and while I would have predicted Hillary carrying NYC, that's not (contrary to what the media would tell you!) the whole state. Long Island, upstate NY, western NY... I figured she would not carry enough votes to win the seat. And I don't think pork for NY carried the day for her. I don't think many voters are educated enough about the process to think in those terms. I guess, put simply, I thought surely her negatives would outweigh her positives in a NY statewide election, and I was very wrong. It worries me...


132 posted on 04/14/2005 4:39:55 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Pharmboy
" ... the MSM will NEVER give her a tough question and she and her comrades will micromanage the press as they did in the 90s ... "

I would offer that daily the MSM is in ever increasing competition from the internet for news and information.

How many were online in 1995? How many today? Like any technology, it begins advancing slowly, then like the proverbial snowball, it gathers momentum.

My thought is that this technology will roll right over the competition, (ie: Stalinists, Socialists, Comunists, etc. etc..

The larger problem is, with the thousands of fact and fallacy info bits out here, how do we separate that which is percieved truth from what is the actual truth. How does one combat that?

There are, afterall, only so many hours in a day.

133 posted on 04/14/2005 5:09:48 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: Constitution Day

If the Pubs don't put on the biggest national campaign against this woman being Commander In Chief and leader of the free world, by pointing out her lack of qualifications for either role.......


134 posted on 04/14/2005 5:11:46 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: Constitution Day
...and headlines like “Is America Ready?” that manage to imply ever so subtly that not voting for Hillary is the 2008 equivalent of declaring that Negroes are three-fifths of a human being.

If Hillary is elected, it will be because of the group the MSM is targeting with this kind of propaganda: people who know Hillary isn't fit for the office, but who are so steeped in political correctness that they feel "kinda icky" about not voting for her.

135 posted on 04/14/2005 5:22:26 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Cicero
If the Republicans play it right, they can win. But it's not obvious at the moment who their candidate for will be in 2008. The most prominent names are pro-abortion, and therefore unelectable.

It wouldn't be the first time the Republicans managed to take a winning position and lose with it.

My dream vision at the moment is that Condi stands up, declares that she has seen the light and is now pro-life, and runs for the presidency. Failing that, they will have to take some conservative southerner who is unknown to most of the country and make him known, with the liberal media obstructing every inch of the way.

Spot on. If Condi won't fulfill that dream scenario, then I think that conservative southerner will be Haley Barbour

136 posted on 04/14/2005 5:32:49 AM PDT by Wallaby
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To: GraceCoolidge
" ... I don't think many voters are educated enough about the process to think in those terms ... "

As New Jersey (where I am from) is a bastion for the "take from the percived rich and give to the poor" so is the entire Eastern seaboard.

One look at the local politics tells me that the voters go with the flow. They are relatively happy in their little hamlets with the Dims running things ... those Dims campaign for the Washington "bread winners" to their districts ... and the voting populace follows suit.

They may not be "educated enough" as far as the future of the country as a whole, but they are educated enough to vote the way Councilman Jones (those that they elect locally) wants, because it's means more school money, better sewers, etc. etc..

It is much like the teachers union. They vote for their jobs, not for the good of education, or the United States.

JMHO

137 posted on 04/14/2005 5:51:11 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: G.Mason
While you make valid points, the video clip of Shrillary sitting down with kindergarteners and reading them a story, the loving interviews with Couric, Chris Matthews, et. al., along with the drumbeat of the rest of the MSM reminding us daily of just how brilliant this woman is will STILL be hard to beat.

Admittedly, the new media makes it more challenging for them, but TV images still go a long way. And, these people are smart and masters at managing the media.

138 posted on 04/14/2005 5:52:33 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy
Duly noted.

I shall place you on the Hitlary will win list. ;)

139 posted on 04/14/2005 5:55:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you see Lazamataz, will you have him ping me?)
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To: NCSteve
Social conservatives will not vote for Giuliani. Some fiscal conservatives may even have problems with him.

I do agree that Giuliani may have some problems, BUT he does have two really good points.

1) He came in to NYC, a city with more complexity than some states, and cleaned up the place immensely. Ask anyone from around there.

2) He was instrumental in how he handled himself and the situation during 9/11.

These two points paint a pretty good picture of a person who can GOVERN well. Many people forget that the President is really just the most powerful Governor.
140 posted on 04/14/2005 6:41:40 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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