Posted on 04/12/2005 4:46:09 PM PDT by SJackson
He has no idea of real suffering and he is becoming an apologist for the evil of hitler and the nazis. By pretending to "understand" the suffering of Dresden, he equates it with the Holocaust of an innocent Jewish population.
There is no comparison. The Germans deserved to know the horrors of a war they caused and the horrors of a murderous campaign which they, the Germans, brought onto the heads of an innocent people... the JEWS.
And, then we haven't even mentioned the other murdered victims of her hitler's death machine... the Gypsies, the handicapped, the prisoners of war, the Christians, the underground fighters, the political prisoners and all the others. Such evil, evil doings and yet some people still deny its magnitude and attempt to lessen its evil by rationalizations.
Why am I not surprised? I am only surprised that is allowed to be posted on FR.
Regards to you.
It's just like the good old days with Ghengis Khan.
So by your logic, virtually no one alive today voted for Roosevelt. What does that have to do with anything we are talking about? Are you saying they are DENYING that they voted for Hitler? If so, would you admit today that you voted for Hitler if you were they?
The "good Germans" get most of it!
You're projecting.
Almost all the German people alive today have been born since the war. They could not have voted for Hitler even if they wanted to!
Exactly. This was a period of, "Total War." Grant and Sherman reinvented it in 1864-65. Massive war against civilians was a tactic of Hitler. Britain and the US used the tactic against Dresden and Cologne. The US fire bombing of Tokyo (pre-Hiroshima) yielded more than 100,000 dead civilians. War can get nasty. It's been this way for all time. And it will happen over and over again..long after we are gone.
After all, "we" Americans voted for slavery.
You may want to be a bit more consistent:
Thank you. I have not one iota of sympathy for the Germans. They brought their deaths upon themselves by wanting to rule the world. We all finished what they started. Now they are crying about it.
We recently engaged in a discussion of Sherman's March to the Sea, you took high offense to my suggesting that this march was required to break the back of apartheid. I find you willingness to condemn the German's inconsistent with your response on the Civil War. Wasn't Nazism/Fascism morally equivalent to the culture of apartheid and the institution of slavery?
They were lucky. We were not ready for the nuke option. So we fire-bombed them. Total War. Tough $hit. The losers die.
Slavery was imposed on America by the Europeans who set up colonial empires here.
It took Americans less than a century to get rid of it.
We should be praised, not condemned, for our efforts.
We are talking history. The events of Dresden. At least I thought we were, you're going off in all directions and I'm having one ahelluv time trying to follow you.
What I want to know is WHY you are so concerned about who the HELL it was that started that madness??
The only thing that matters is that it was GERMANS that started those murders of the innocents and GERMANS who continued it! Understand?
Not apartheid. Call it what you will but it was not apartheid. Sherman did break the will of the South. Are you saying it was ok for Sherman to break the will of the people, but not for us to break the will of the Germans? Isn't that a double standard? Or you apply it when it meets your needs to apply it?
Don't drag Grant and Sherman into this. No southern civilian was murdered during the march to the sea. They burned houses, bridges, fences, cotton mills, and destroyed railroads. A few bummers stole the family silver. Thats about it.
Sherman thought the use of landmines was barbaric. He also was close friends, after the war, with CSA General Joe Johnson.
I don't think Himmler and Eisenhower went off and had a few beers after the war.
Germans are playing word game:
A Holocaust = "A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames"
The Holocaust = Nazi extermination of European Jews.
To those of you who like to argue and agree with me, I must bid you adu. It's been interesting to say the least. Good night. Thanks.
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