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To: wideawake
Cite one single example.

Beginning in Gen 2:4 God creates plants etc. before they were in the earth, because He had not yet caused it to rain.

However, I'm sure you can spin this in some way to justify your belief.

But I really wish you'd take an honest read of Genesis. And I mean READ it. Sit down and read a modern translation from Genesis 1 through 3 without stopping. The break in the stories is at Gen 2:4, where the first story comes to a conclusion, and an entirely different story begins with the words, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens".

I'm sure you'll spin it your way anyway. That's why no two denominations can ever agree.

86 posted on 04/12/2005 2:37:45 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Beginning in Gen 2:4 There is an earth but no plants have germinated in it yet, because He had not yet caused it to rain.

When was rain mentioned previously in the narrative? It was not.

In the 2:4 sequence we have plants ungerminated (1) after the earth was created, (2) before there was rain and (3) before there was a man to till the earth.

In the 1:1 sequence we have the earth created before plants (check) plants created before rain (rain is unmentioned in 1:1 sequence) and before man (check).

If you want to argue that because the plants had not yet sprouted they did not yet exist, that is not specified by the text and the opposite is implied by the context. The text also draws a distinction between the creation of plants in general (sa'adeh) and the ones specifically planted in the garden (gan).

However, I'm sure you can spin this in some way to justify your belief.

There's no need to spin it, it only needs to be read with attention to detail.

But I really wish you'd take an honest read of Genesis.

As opposed to all the times I've read it dishonestly? What are you implying?

And I mean READ it.

I have, many times.

Sit down and read a modern translation from Genesis 1 through 3 without stopping.

I'll pass on the translation, thanks. I can read Hebrew just fine.

The break in the stories is at Gen 2:4, where the first story comes to a conclusion, and an entirely different story begins with the words, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens".

This is not an "entirely different story" but a recapitualation of the narrative. The generations or toledoth of the heavens and the earth is a verbal signpost indicating that we are moving in to focus on a different level of the narrative - just as when we read of the generations of Noah twice - once to introduce the specific narrative of the Flood and again to introduce the general genealogy of his numerous descendants.

I'm sure you'll spin it your way anyway.

I'm sure that even though you've used it twice in the same post, you still realize that poisoning the well is a fallacy of argumentation.

94 posted on 04/12/2005 3:05:05 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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