[TapTheSource]

==Yea, like I did not forget Tap's assertion that Poland's Lech Walesa and Czechoslovakia's Vaclav Havel were really KGB agents in on the fake fall of the USSR plot.

I have never got into that specific issue on this forum. So as usual, your memory is WRONG. Having said that, whoever said they were KGB agents was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. More on that later.

[Destro]

Poland's Lech Walesa and Czechoslovakia's Vaclav Havel = KGB agents -- so since they supported the Orange revolution in the Ukraine that means Yushchenko also is a KGB agnet/movement.

[B4Ranch]

The KGB probably used Poland's Lech Walesa unbeknownst to him. I do not think the Pope would have supported him if the KGB connection was known ahead of time.

[familyop]

"Having said that, whoever said they were KGB agents was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. More on that later."

I'll be interested in seeing what you have on that. It seems that Havel's and Walesa's campaigns (although two very different activities) would have been rather counter to Moscow's structures (economy, security, and the like), though. Granted, it didn't appear that they were trying to bring down the whole Communist government while working outside of its system and against it. One was leading a workers' revolt, and the other was striking (in a way--"nonpolitical politics") to get redress with a change in that system, in a sense. Whether or not it was their intent, they did help to weaken Moscow's grip on eastern Europe.