There's a Crack In Our Foundation - (Terri Schiavo; America betrayed her)

GOPUSA.COM ^ | APRIL 12, 2005 | DEBBIE DANIEL

[bvw]

Outside of idiocy, one can make no sense of your posts. Except a love of murder.

[bvw]

You were wrong about the sister and brother, and wrong too about the certainty of Terri's diagnosis. And now you claim that Terri's parents suggested he date by providing dates for him.

Follow that logic then. If Micheal took their advice about dating while still married, why could he not later take their (far wiser) advice that he divorce Terri, or that he turn guardianship over to them? His consistensy was only to having total control, and here that meant murder.

[Sioux-san]

Your dad was on a respirator, which kept him going, until you all decided that there was no hope for him. I am sorry for your loss. If you truly believe that withdrawing someone's food and water is the same thing, then there is nothing more to be said. Terri only needed the feeding tube. She was not comatose. She was not end-stage or terminally ill. She wasn't a veg as the media portrayed her. If you think what happened to her is okay, then the 10s of thousands of others who are disabled or just plain old had better start hiding under their beds.

[68 grunt]

... And you really think that Schiavo, Felos and Greer let Terri "die with dignity?" ...

And you think her parents have any concept of 'death with dignity'? They made it into a circus. They made this into an emotional brouhaha. Every court, sans emotion, found she was a veg and her husband credible. Y'all outta concentrate on supporting the cleanup of the courts, not wasting your rage as emotional tools.

[bvw]

Being against the death penalty puts you on the side of murderers too. You say you want to feed the poor!

Why then could you not feed poor Terri?

And what exactly do you call "sanctity of marriage" -- it seems to you to be nothing more than the ability to legally murder your spouse.

And against abortion? Why? You're completely aboard aborting Terri. Why not abort babies with major cases of Down's syndrome, or spinal bifuda, or rarer genetic diseases that guarentee only a few months of life? If you could abort Terri the vegetable, why not baby Timmy, the Down's syndrome vegetable?

[bvw]

sans emotion

Althought your handle indicates you've seen combat and horror, I'm thankful for you that you've not made the acquaintance of sociopathic killers.

[68 grunt]

Sure, give all the thanks you like.

[atlaw]

Lots of hyperventilating in this article, but not much else. The author seems to be saying that root problem in the Schiavo case was allowing the court system to resolve the issues in the first place. This, of course, opens up the field to alternative methods of resolving the issues (which are conveniently left unidentified).

Is the author suggesting that the life of Ms. Schiavo should properly have been subjected to a popular vote? And if so, should a thumbs-up/thumbs-down vote of the general populace be resorted to in all end of life decisions?

This seems to be the direction in which those railing against the judicial system are headed, with all the talk about the "will of the populace" and the "tyranny of the judiciary."

[bvw]

You are against abortion and pro-choice too. Many would call that being confused.

G-d also requires that men establish systems of justice. And in those systems there must be ways of dealing with crimes so terrible and so well-proved that capital punishment is proper and necessary.

What does well-proved mean? Beyond the shadow of a doubt. More than just beyond reasonable doubt in these days where people are as light-headed as you -- but beyond any whisper of doubt to invoke capital punishment.

Yet Terri was slaughtered on mere hearsay, and not just hearsay but old and dubious hearsay, hearsay that was countered by other hearsay of a less dubious quality.

So you oppose the death penalty! But a court ordered execution based on dubious hearsay is just fine with you.

Against abortion and pro-choice. Against capital punishment for murderers, but for court orders to execute the innocent.

I hope you do not drive or operate heavy machinery -- you should really not leave your room without competent escort. JMO.

[HKMk23]

...my fear is that these decisions will be taken from the family, and given to the government.

WAKE UP!  That evil day is fast upon you!

The decision for Terri was handed down by a judge who chose to give credence to the word of a lying, unfaithful, untrustworthy tramp and a brace of in-laws and shrug off relevant and competing testimony from everyone on Terri's own side of the family.  Terri's case is the harbinger of the impending ascent of your worst nightmare: court-ordered euthanasia.

What you fear is precisely what most all of us have been decrying in this case: that government unjustly intervened and forced the decision over the outcry of family members and despite serious inconsistencies, irregularities and glaring conflicts of interest.  We are one thin line from this becoming a milestone in the blood campaign of the death cultists.  The severely disabled are now in "Check", and the next move will be "Checkmate".

This must not be allowed to happen.  Not now; not ever.

RANT ON
There was therapy that Terri had been receiving; to the point that she was beginning to learn to walk, again.  After the HINO won his malpractice case, and the money hit the bank, the therapy was halted; snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  Ironically, he had claimed that the awarded money would be required to pay for the therapy that Terri needed.  Did it?  No.  Not one thin dime.

We commonly see people who have a spouse in dire medical straits, and these people, though emotionally taxed, by and large stand by their spouses "for better or for worse".  Not Michael Schiavo.  Yet the court conveniently overlooked his depraved behavior and gave no consideration as to what that said about his character.  He had two bastard children by a woman not his wife with whom he maintaned an ongoing affair during the last years of his wife's life; plainly stating his intent to marry after his wife's death.  Of course, because his little porn star wants a proper Catholic church wedding, he absolutely couldn't divorce Terri; that would have spoiled the effect entirely.  Nevermind that it would have also given the Schindler's their daughter back -- alive.

Frankly, had I been in Terri's place, seeing my husband turn into a self-absorbed, philandering, nymphomaniacal, whorehound like Michael Schiavo would make me want to die just to be rid of my marital bond to his perverse and disgusting self.

There's more, but we've hashed it through a thousand times, already and, if you don't get it by now, you probably never will; unless, perhaps, you end up on a situation like Terri's.  Oh, you'd really get it, then.  And how.  Of course, then it would be far too late, wouldn't it?
RANT OFF

[HKMk23]

...she stopped eating and drinking and we did nothing about it.

So, then, she was capable of making the decision to die on her own; at least on some level. She voluntarily stopped eating and drinking, and you and your family gave tacit approval to her unspoken request that she be allowed to die.

I do not see anyone on these boards arguing that a case like this be altered in any way. Nor do I see anyone suggesting that any government entity should be dragged in to "evaluate" cases like this where there is no dispute about the wishes of the dying. FWIW, I think your family did exactly the right thing, as difficult as I imagine that it was.

Please, be at peace about the choices you have made, they are not in dispute, here.

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

If she didn't feel anything, how come they were giving her morphine for the pain?

She wasn't brain dead. Part of her brain was fluid. Not all of it.

You really need to study this case and know what you are talking about. I mean study it, not just what you've heard from the MSM or Schiavo.

WPPFF?

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

If I were trying to save my child from an adulterous spouse who wanted my child starved to death/murdered then I'd make a rucous too.

How else were they supposed to try to save her? By being quiet? Wishing quietly? Hoping? Whispering? Heck no! They yelled it from the rooftops and I would, too.

As it was they were able to save her for 13 years from what her husband wanted.

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

And, also, I don't feel that what the Schindlers did had anything to do with how Terri died. They didn't cause her to "die without dignity".

They were trying to save her life so that she could die when it was her time, with the dignity of a human being.

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

Only Greer's court was how you said. The other courts only looked at the process not the facts.

Most sane people don't find Schiavo, Felos or Greer credible in any way.

Sheesh Felos even talks telepathically to those in comas and PVS, so he thinks and says.

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

You aren't thinking straight.