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"So what? He's the one who's going to judge you."-DannyTN

"Yes, but an evil god can lie, and there is no rational way to determine whether or not he is lying." - Antiguv

Doesn't matter. If He is evil, then you are screwed anyway. But if He is good, and if you have free will, then your choices determine whether or not you are screwed.

"Can you find fault with His commandment to you to "depart from evil and do good"?"- DannyTN

"Yes, it's meaningless without a definition of good & evil. "- Antiguv

Is there no definition? Did God not give us internal guides, called conscience? Did not God give us the 10 commandments to help us understand. Did not God give us all of the scripture to help us understand. Did not God give send His Son to show us how to live? I suspect that the weakest definition that you could come up with would be enough to condemn you and me.

"That God was evil increating you with the potential to do evil?"- DannyTN

"An evil god would be rational, we just couldn't make a rational determination of the practical implications...."

I believe I made a "rational determination of the practical implications" if God is evil, earlier in this same post...you're screwed anyway.

Even if you win the argument, God will simply rectify His mistake.

Sure, but an omniscient god would know if I had any faith or if I was just carrying on a charade out of "just-in-case" fear.

So what. God says that the beginning of wisdom is the Fear of God. He also says He reveals Himself to those who keep His commandments. If you carry out a charade of "just-in-case fear", you will learn first hand from your obedience about His commandments and you will develop faith in Him.

"If a god created me, then he quite obviously created me such that I would not believe in him, and who am I to challenge that?"-AntiGuv

Is it that obvious? Is there no small voice that quietly says "BULLSHIT" when you make that assertion?

The following verses: 1) v5-7 asserts that God has indeed created you and evil, 2) v9-10 warn those who would challenge their Maker as you have, 3) v11-13 directly references the Lord as both the Holy One of Israel and His Maker... a direct reference to Jesus in scripture that predates Jesus, a time dateable prophecy that was fulfilled demonstrating God's power. But I'm sure you will find a way to dismiss this to maintain your facade of "no evidence and you don't believe".

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.