Posted on 04/11/2005 10:25:55 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
It's not working. The biggie is the mind-body problem.
That was Fredrick Neitzche in the 19th century.
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Neitzche is DEAD---God.
Yep, as long as you can keep your "patients" sick and on the couch, then you have a guaranteed income for life. Freud and other psycho-lalagist found themselves a neat scam.
And most people only believe in God because they want to pretend they are morally superior to others, not because of logical reasons.
Gee a'int wild unsubstantiated claims fun!!!!
But what a bunch of tripe
1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just 0.2% of the prison population
2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.
Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.
3) Born Again Christians are just as likely to divorce as are Non-Christians
4) Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil.
Now if religion had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction.
Here is two articles for ya' on how the morailty of young people in our country is improving greatly
Rush Limbaugh on the Next Generation and It's the Morning after in America
You will notice 1 thing missing from both articles, Religion.
Now explain to me, If people are chosing not to believe in God only because "they do not like the idea of moral accountability" how come they end up being just as moral and in many cases more moral than people who do?
And most people only believe in God because they want to pretend they are morally superior to others, not because of logical reasons.
Gee a'int wild unsubstantiated claims fun!!!!
But what a bunch of tripe
1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just 0.2% of the prison population
2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.
Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.
3) Born Again Christians are just as likely to divorce as are Non-Christians
4) Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil.
Now if religion had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction.
Here is two articles for ya' on how the morailty of young people in our country is improving greatly
Rush Limbaugh on the Next Generation and It's the Morning after in America
You will notice 1 thing missing from both articles, Religion.
Now explain to me, If people are chosing not to believe in God only because "they do not like the idea of moral accountability" how come they end up being just as moral and in many cases more moral than people who do?
it's true, man you keep them coming back for years, at what? 200-500 dollars for a 50 minute hour? lol
The Theory of Evolution does not make claims about the origin of life, just the origin of species. To ignore it in a science class means that we would be ignoring one of the central tenents of modern biology and no one is going to do that just to make the Discovery Institute happy.
They are almost as good at scamming as the phoney faith healers who take their dog and pony shows around the country.
I disagree. That is not a scientific conclusion, it's a philosophical conclusion. Both science and philosophy seek to explain the world, so just because you seek to explain the world through your observation and deduction does not make that scientific reasoning.
Am I not allowed, in a fully rational way, to seek to understand and define the principles upon which I reach my conclusions. Am I not allowed then to hypothetically apply those principles to other things and create experiments to validate or disprove those principles. And if my experiments lead me to draw some theoretical conclusions about the wider world, why is that not scientific? After all, that is pretty much what scientists do every day.
No, ID is not scientific because it is not capable of being disproven (among other things). Let me give an example that is not directly related to ID, but perhaps will shed some light on this discussion. A person came to college when I was student to argue for creationism. He went the whole 9 yards: the Universe is 6000 years old, etc. So I asked him: If the Earth is 6000 years old, why are there stars more than 6000 lightyears away? Now we can prove that using only two simple rules: the inverse square law of luminescence and trigonometry. This guy's answer was that the universe was created with the light already in place and traveling on it's way. In other words, God created the universe so as to make it appear older than 6000 years, but it really wasn't. Or to put it another way, here was a theory which could not be disproven because any proof against could be argued away on the basis of the creator making it appear just so.
ID cannot be disproven in the same way, because you can always argue that the creator is more subtle and clever than we previously thought. A scientist looks a mystery or complication with the Theory of Evolution and says, "Hmmm that's weird. Why would that be? Let me try to reason this out." He or she will study chemistry, biology, fossil records, celluar automatons, etc. etc. trying to find linkage, commanalties, etc. A mystery is an opportunity for learning something new, so scientific reasoning doesn't shy away from mysteries, it embraces them.
ID is entirely different. It shuts off further speculation. For example, you see something that you think is irreducibly complex and so you say, "aha that's proof that of ID. I'm done." A scientist will say, let me think harder about that, perhaps it's not irreducibly complex, perhaps it's just too complex for me to figure out today. And then tomorrow he or she turns the key and gets the answer. That's science.
So believe in it all you want, but don't try to claim it belongs in a science class - because it doesn't.
Makes sense come to think of it. Didn't feel like breaking the entire sentence apart at the time, but you got a good hold on it.
I think I can assume you also agree with me in that principle.
you forgot
5) 0% of people in a foxhole are atheists!
Soundbites over substance & more wild unsubstantiated claims.
How liberal like
But too bad it's a lie.
1) See http://www.maaf.info/expaif.html
2) The troops in the Military are less religious than the population as whole
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"The old adage that there are “no atheists in foxholes” does not appear to apply as much as it used to. It turns out that the active duty troops in the American armed forces are somewhat less religious than the population as a whole.
Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34 percent unknown or no preference"...
I promise you, each one in a combat zone says "dear God..."
Regardless of if they check "Christian" or "Hindu" or "Atheist" in some poll.
And as was pointed out by another freeper on that thread, "unknown/no preference" means "either Catholic or Protestant," but their is no preference.
34% of them are non-denominational.
I don't believe you, Please provide a link that actually backs up your assertion.
Regardless of if they check "Christian" or "Hindu" or "Atheist" in some poll.
It's not a poll in that sense, They are going by what recruits put on their dog tags.
But Hindus pray to your God in combat??? Now that's funny!
Got a link for that one!!! LOL!
I don't know about combat, but with something very close like the tsunami they most certainly didn't
34% of them are non-denominational.
You are funny, I guess my "wild assertion" about wishing you are morally superior was true
But
1) Not true at all (Notice that Freeper didn't have links to back up his assertion either). The Military won't put Atheist on dogtags, They put down "No Preference" or if the troops want Atheist on their dogtags they have to go out and buy their own in which they would be listed as "unknown". See http://www.maaf.info/expaif.html testimonies on this.
2) The link goes to a Military Newsletter, Why would the Military write an article about there being more Atheist in the military if there are none???.
This is an example why ID will go nowhere. You just make stuff up and just repeat over and over again no matter how many times it's been debunked or how silly you look. The truth always wins out in the end.
Thanks for the ping!
Interesting. We are making truth every day. Wouldn't truth be what wins in the end? When would what wins not be truth? That's how you can spot truth.
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