Posted on 04/11/2005 10:23:35 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
Greely should stick with writting his 3rd rate steamy novels. He is no more in the know about the next Pope than I am.
(1) Greeley is a known scumbag.
(2) He was something of a Vatican insider in the early 70s, but following John Paul II's election he lost his juice.
(3) He was always a critic of John Paul II from the get-go, because of above-listed fact (1).
(4) He wants a Brazilian candidate because the only Brazilian candidate with enough prestige is liberal enough that Greeley can deal with him.
(5) Greeley wants to avoid the election of Cardinal Arinze at all costs and will talk down the chances of a Third World cardinal in general while advancing the Brazilian cause in particular.
(6) Greeley is a known scumbag.
I think reason's 1 and 6 are enough for me!
Of course not. In Catholicism, only Jewish rituals are evil. Pagan rituals are welcomed with open arms and always have been.
I wonder if Greeley would be as tolerant of six day creationism or Biblical literalism as he is of pagan beliefs???
And don't lump Greeley in with observant, obedient Catholics.
I had a feeling that the guy would be a liberal buffoon.
LOL I am not a big Andrew Greeley fan either. For all the honing in on Arinze from Nigeria, it seems that he doesn't have the personality that they seem to be looking for. The cardinal from Brazil seems to be a very compassionate man, but would probably seem too liberal for Legionnaires of Christ or Opus Dei types who have a lot of juice at the Vatican these days. It's funny that Legionnaires aren't appreciated in many US dioceses. I wouldn't mind seeing a third world pope to show the universal face of the Church.
And why, pray tell, should we care what a well-known modernist liberal priest and sociologist who has made millions of dollars from selling steamy novels tolerates, or doesn't tolerate?
Although technically a priest, he was so neglectful of his duties and such a media whore that he was basically put on permanent sabbatical years ago.
He is a visiting professor of sociology at the U of C and a consultant of sorts at NORC.
During the 60s and 70s he was a big anti-war protester, a supporter of Communist front groups within the Church like the Berrigan brothers and Plowshares, a big booster of Robert Drinan, an apologist for abortion, etc.
You can't say enough bad things about the guy.
I wonder if they are are avoiding a 3rd world pope because it will focus more attention on 3rd world problems. Populations are actually declining in Europe and America, while they are exploding elsewhere. Exploding populations can cause havoc on a nations, with poverty, slums crime. There is a lot of criticism that the Catholic church's policy on birth control contributes to these problems. So, I'm just guessing here, but maybe that is why they don't want to name a 3rd world pope.
It seems people are talking, but its the liberals and the media trying to create a "buzz" about certain candidates. The liberals seem to want a third-world candidate as part of the Church's affirmative action program. I do not want to imply that a third-world candidate is not possible, but only that I hope if it happens it is because the Holy Spirit has inspired the selection rather than that the "buzz", opinion polls, and political correctness have inspired the selection.
IMHO, the selection of an iron-curtain pontiff helped bring about the end of communism. The Church is growing in the third-world but dying in secular Europe. Maybe the Church needs a good, conservative European to bring Europe back into the fold of Christianity more than it needs a third-world pontiff to affirm what is already taking place.
You'd think a guy like Greely would have figured out how things work in the Vatican by now. Aparently not. It's quite possible that the person favored for Pope may not even get nominated in the first rounds. Those remaining after these first rounds of ballots have a better chance of getting a simple majority of 50% plus one.
A third world Cardinal for Pope? No way. Someone more well traveled and familiar with western culture and politics is needed to face the challenges ahead.
I will try to make my point in a more respectful manner.
I spent six years in the Catholic Church. Because I insisted on retaining my belief in the literal truth of the Bible I felt like a second class citizen.
Yet it always "got my goat" (so to speak) that native-born Catholic peasants from long-Catholic cultures could get away with believing what to me were the most scandalizing and primitive things (I'm not talking about dogmas here but what might perhaps be called "folk Catholicism"). No matter how outlandish or how similar to pre-chr*stian paganism they might seem, these beliefs were "Catholic" and perectly accepted by the higher-critical evolutionist clergy. Yet my wish to retain my beliefs in total Biblical inerrancy made me feel like a half-Protestant freak. Why were my beliefs so outlandish to over-educated sophisticates while medieval superstitions were not?
I hope that got my idea over without the crudeness I so lamentably displayed in my last post.
As to my comment about Jewish practicies being unwelcome in the Catholic Church (ie, "Judaizers") while pagan practices have always been chr*stianized with enthusiasm, that is simply an inherent part of the Catholic religion that ultimately led to my leaving. It isn't quite the same thing as my first point and was just thrown together with it because of my emotional state at reading Fr. Greeley's sickening hypocrisy.
I cannot agree with you two gentlemen(?) just as you can't agree with me, but there was no need for such childish behavior on my part as my last post. I ask your forgiveness and will strive to make my points in a more mature manner in the future. And this apology goes likewise to all other Catholics who were understandably offended. -_-
I'm quite familiar; hence the "Greeley alert."
I'd like to see Cardinal Arinze get elected Pontiff. Sure would make for an interesting administration.
Thank you for that graceful reply.
Ah, another "population control" freak. Subsaharan African nations have very low population densities, yet don't have the economic dynamism of certain areas of India (although they still have a long way to go) or China for that matter. "Population control" is where the left-wing anti-life wackos collude with the far-right racialists.
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