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India and China agree to form partnership
Yahoo ^ | 11 April 2005 | AP

Posted on 04/11/2005 4:45:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head

NEW DELHI - India and China, the world's two most populous countries, agreed on Monday to create a "strategic partnership" in an effort to end their longstanding border dispute and boost trade and economic cooperation.

The agreement signaled a significant shift in relations between the two Asian giants after decades of mutual distrust and suspicion.

"India and China can together reshape the world order," Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said after a welcome ceremony for his Chinese counterpart, Premier Wen Jiabao, at India's presidential palace.

Together the two nations account for one-third the world's population.

The statement announcing the partnership was signed by both premiers and said the agreement would promote diplomatic relations, economic ties and contribute to the two nations "jointly addressing global challenges and threats."

India-China relations have "acquired a global and strategic character," it said.

"The leaders of the two countries have therefore agreed to establish an India-China strategic and cooperative partnership for peace and prosperity," the statement said.

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To: mainepatsfan

the indian national army joined japan and fought against nepal and the UK in burma.


41 posted on 04/11/2005 7:49:56 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: ekidsohbelaas

wait, are you claiming india was not a soviet ally? next you know, you are going to claim that subas chandra bose didnt lead the indian national army as part of the axis. Have you ever wondered why india does not celebrate V-J day like the rest of us?


42 posted on 04/11/2005 7:54:34 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: Americanexpat; Gengis Khan; CarrotAndStick

"These SOBs did not need the excuse of Pakistan to not help us. They have never helped us."
Your Ignorance amazes me. For a decade before 9/11 Indian Intelligence kept warning the US regarding extremism in Afghanistan and pakistan and we were told that it was Indias problem. If CIA had listened 9/11 could have been prevented.
It was India along with Russia that were supporting the northern alliance who fought the taliban rule. Even after 9/11 India wanted to participate in afghanistan operations but was prevented by the US due to paki influence. US still doesnt see the light here.


43 posted on 04/11/2005 8:10:50 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!


44 posted on 04/11/2005 8:21:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: razoroccam
Surprising how many naive folks at FR will believe that India and China will form an alliance. Who was it who said "there is a sucker born every minute"?

Stranger things have happened...and economic issues and agreements can led to military ties if they are successful and if the participants feel that success is somehow threatened.

As to it being naive...the same thing would have been said about any warnings of Stalin and Hitler getting together in the late 30's...and yet it happened to the horrble chargin of all of Europe at the time. What is naive is to ignore historical precedence and think it cannot happen here.As Sophocles wrote well over 23 centuries ago :

Far-stretching, endless Time
Brings forth all hidden things,
And buries that which once did shine.
The firm resolve falters, the sacred oath is shattered;
And let none say, "It cannot happen here".

45 posted on 04/11/2005 8:56:14 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

read later


46 posted on 04/11/2005 9:06:31 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Jeff Head

Well, this stickies up the wickets a bit..

'62 was a busy year,, Cuban crisis, India-China border war .

Have a good trip.


47 posted on 04/11/2005 9:20:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: minus_273

No offence, but you ought to hit the books. Incomplete knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Happy revelations kid.. :)


48 posted on 04/11/2005 9:24:41 AM PDT by ekidsohbelaas (Mithun Da ki jai... Maa ka Aarshidwaad jo hai....)
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To: Arjun

People do not agree with you they are ignorant huh?

life must be simple for you.


49 posted on 04/11/2005 9:27:52 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (L) with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. China and India signed a historic accord setting out 'guiding principles' to resolve their decades-old border dispute, a move expected to boost economic cooperation and bilateral ties between the two Asian giants.(AFP/Prakash Singh)

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (L) with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. China and India signed a historic accord setting out 'guiding principles' to resolve their decades-old border dispute, a move expected to boost economic cooperation and bilateral ties between the two Asian giants.(AFP/Prakash Singh)


50 posted on 04/11/2005 9:27:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Red6

Ping!


51 posted on 04/11/2005 9:31:52 AM PDT by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: minus_273
The Burma Campaign 1941 - 1945
By Michael Hickey

Neither side wanted this fight at the start, but there were many remarkable feats of arms as the war progressed. Michael Hickey describes the highs and lows of the campaign, the personalities involved, and the effect it had on East-West politics once World War Two was over.
Chindits in Burma, 1944



Background
The campaign in which Allied forces defeated the Japanese in Burma was unique in that neither side particularly wished to wage war there. When Japan entered the war on the side of the Axis powers in December 1941, her main aims were to acquire raw materials, particularly oil, rubber and tin and, through expansion of the so-called Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere, to create space for the population of the over-crowded home islands.

'The raid at Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 was a devastating blow to the Americans.'
These needs fired the strategic thinking of belligerent politicians and service chiefs in Tokyo. They worked on the assumption that a surprise attack on the United States Pacific Fleet's base at Pearl Harbor, in Hawaii, would enable the Imperial Japanese army, air force and navy to attain the warlords' territorial aims before the western Allies could react.

The raid at Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 was a devastating blow to the Americans. It failed, however, in its main aim, that of sinking the American fleet's aircraft carriers. This was because, providentially, they were out at sea on that day - sometimes known as the Day of Infamy. On hearing this intelligence, Admiral Yamamoto, the gifted master planner of the enterprise, knew that the war was already as good as lost.

Despite this, Japanese plans elsewhere worked beyond expectation. Hong Kong and Indo-China fell to them without difficulty, but the greatest triumphs occurred on the Malay peninsula and in Singapore, where British, Australian and Indian troops were forced into humiliating surrender.

The Japanese completed their triumphs by overrunning the Dutch East Indies, spreading out into the western Pacific by capturing numerous island bases, and threatening the security of Australia.

Start of the campaign

British and Indian troops in action, 80 miles south of Mandalay, in March 1945There were two reasons for the Japanese invasion of Burma. Firstly the Japanese knew it would serve them well if they cut overland access to China from Burma via the famed Burma Road. Along this road a steady stream of military aid was being transported from Rangoon, over the mountains of the 'Hump' and into Nationalist China, but if this supply route was closed, the Japanese could deprive Chiang Kai Shek's Kuomintang (Nationalist Chinese) armies of their life-blood, permitting the Japanese to conquer all China.

'The troops were raw, lacked combat experience, and were inadequately trained ...'
Furthermore, possession of Burma would place the Japanese at the gate of India, where they believed general insurrection against the British Raj would be ignited once their troops had established themselves in Assam, within reach of Calcutta. To this end they cultivated the services of the dissident Bengali politician Chandra Bose, who recruited thousands of Indian troops captured in Singapore into his Indian National Army - to fight the British.

Entering Burma from Thailand, the Japanese quickly captured Rangoon, cutting off the Burma Road at source, and depriving the Chinese of their only convenient supply base and port of entry. In response, General Sir Archibald Wavell, in supreme command of the Far Eastern theatre, formed two scratch divisions, the 1st Burma and 17th Indian, into Burma corps (Burcorps).

He ordered his commanders, against their better judgement, to defend well forward. They, however, were aware, as he was not, of the deficiencies of their commands. The troops were raw, lacked combat experience, and were inadequately trained and equipped to take on the aggressive and bold invaders.

Apart from two experienced light tank regiments and an infantry battalion brought in from the Middle East, whose presence in the long retreat up-country undoubtedly saved Burma Corps from total destruction, no other reinforcements reached Burma Command. (The British 18th Division, destined for Burma, was redirected to Singapore on Churchill's orders, reaching it just in time to march into Japanese prison camps.)

Operating a scorched-earth policy as it went, Burcorps, now under command of Lieutenant General William Slim, fell back up the Irrawaddy river, accompanied by tens of thousands of wretched Indian refugees, harassed and murdered by the Burmese population as they struggled to gain Indian soil. In May 1942 the retreat finally ended, and the shattered remnants of Burcorps began to prepare for return to Burma.

Stalemate
There followed many months of stalemate, as both sides tried to probe each other's strengths and weaknesses. Wavell, anxious to re-assert British military influence and raise depressed morale, ordered an advance into the Arakan, the coastal region of Burma, at the end of 1942. It stalled and was bloodily repulsed - and morale sank even further.

'Although now outnumbered, the Japanese fought with ferocious courage ...'
Things were only lightened by the propaganda value of Brigadier Orde Wingate's first Chindit expedition. In this the Allies enjoyed some success in using guerrilla tactics against the Japanese, despite incurring heavy losses, thus proving that British troops could take on the Japanese in the jungle.

In 1943 the Allied High Command was overhauled, and Wavell was replaced by the charismatic Lord Louis Mountbatten. His influence obtained much needed air support for what now became the 14th Army, particularly in the field of transport aircraft, and re-supply by air became the norm for the forward troops.

Slim, now in command of 14th Army, imbued his command with a new spirit. Units were encouraged to sit tight, relying on air-dropped supplies, and hold their ground when attacked, instead of dispersing as formerly.

The Japanese, aware that the defenders had gained strength, resolved to end the campaign at a blow with an assault into Assam, aimed at capturing the key towns of Imphal, capital of the hill state of Manipur, and Kohima. Another Japanese attack was made simultaneously in the Arakan. For the first time the defenders stood firm, confident in their air support.

Between March and July 1944 fierce battles raged on both fronts. Although now outnumbered, the Japanese fought with ferocious courage; all ranks of 14th Army knew that their ticket home depended on total destruction of their enemy and this is exactly how it transpired. Fighting every inch, the Japanese recoiled from the hills and back across the River Chindwin, harassed by Wingate's second Chindit expedition.

Wingate unfortunately did not live to see this outcome. He perished in a plane crash as the expedition began, and as American troops were advancing from the north with (somewhat unreliable) Chinese Nationalist forces. Bereft of his dynamic leadership the expedition became semi-static, although there were some remarkable feats of arms as the numerous Chindit columns fought deep in the Japanese rear areas, in their endeavours to realise Wingate's concept of 'a hand in the enemy's bowels'.

Victory in sight

Field Marshal Sir William SlimEarly in 1945, 14th Army continued to advance, no longer in the jungle but in the open plains of upper Burma. Mandalay fell in March, and Slim conducted a brilliant crossing of the mighty Irrawaddy before heading south. In the Arakan, the Japanese had to be winkled out of strong positions before Rangoon was taken on 3 May.

Mountbatten gratified his ambition by staging an elaborate victory parade, at which he took the salute in Rangoon on 15 June. This took place despite the fact that thousands of Japanese were still fighting hard, many of them still in strength, behind British lines - as they tried desperately to escape across the Sittang river into Thailand, losing heavily as they went.

Slim, the architect of this great victory, was not present at Mountbatten's parade. Mountbatten had decided that 14th Army's great commander was tired and needed a rest, and therefore replaced him at the moment of his great triumph.

'... Slim ... having been knocked out of the ring at the beginning, got back in and beat his opponent flat.'
This was unfortunate, as Slim was the only British general in World War Two who had fought against an enemy 'First Eleven' throughout, and who, having been knocked out of the ring at the beginning, got back in and beat his opponent flat. His removal from command of the army he had forged had a calamitous effect on the morale of his men.

Churchill had initially opposed his appointment to command 14th Army, considering him a 'sepoy general' (Slim had made his military home in the 6th Gurkhas). But his personal account of the campaign, Defeat into Victory, will long endure as a military classic. It is modestly written, but reveals the humanity of this truly great soldier, as well as his professional ability - both qualities that explain why his men loved him as much as they did.

Post-war situation
The Burma campaign had no decisive effect on the war as a whole; but it did a great deal to restore respect for British arms following the humiliations of Hong Kong, Malaya and Singapore. The re-opening of the Burma Road permitted the resumption of supplies to Nationalist China, but there was to be no long-term benefit here, and American dreams of establishing an All-China trade zone after the war evaporated when Mao Tse Tung's Communist forces thrashed the corrupt regime of America's client, Chiang Kai Shek, within four years of the Japanese surrender in 1945.

'... Aung San ... was assassinated in Rangoon, along with most of his Cabinet ...'
Despite the outstanding performance of the 14th Army, comprising as it did Indian, African and British formations, much British face had been lost in the Far East as a result of the defeats at the hands of the Japanese, and stirrings of Indian independence had assumed thunderous proportions. In Burma too, the nationalists, headed by the personable Aung San, had sided with the Japanese until it was clear that they were losing.

Then Aung San's Burmese National Army changed sides and gave valuable service to the 14th Army in the final stages of the campaign. The British returned to Rangoon in triumph, but were not destined to stay; Burmese nationalism was on a flood tide, and having seized the administrative reins in the wake of the British advance, Aung San's men were well placed to take over after the war.

Although London attempted to resume its former rule, it had to face reality and Aung San came to the UK in 1947 to negotiate terms for independence. He was assassinated in Rangoon, along with most of his Cabinet, within months, however.

The political scene in the country has remained unstable ever since, due to the impositions of ruthless military governments. The incompetence of these, in matters of national economy, is matched only by the strength of their repression of all opposition.

Aung San's daughter Aung San Suu Kyi, continues to oppose the regime, offering some hope for the people of this ancient country. India, whose troops had formed the backbone of the 14th Army, was granted independence in 1947 but only after the British government and its Viceroy - Mountbatten - had persuaded themselves that partition on religious lines, to create the states of India and Pakistan, would solve a problem growing far beyond the capacity of a weakened Britain to solve. The great Indian Army was rent asunder, and before long, regiments that had won fame under the Raj were fighting each other as the two new states confronted each other.

Find out more
Books

The Chindit War by Shelford Bidwell (Hodder & Stoughton, 1979)

The Little Men: A Platoon's Epic Fight in the Burma Campaign by FW Cooper (Robert Hale, 1973)

The Indian Army and the King's Enemies, 1900-1947 by Charles Chenevix-Trench (Thomas & Hudson, 1988)

Japan's Last War by Saburo Ienaga (Blackwell, 1979)

The Campaign in Burma by Frank Owen (HMSO, 1946)

Defeat into Victory by Field Marshal Sir William Slim (Cassell, 1956)

The War against Japan Vols II-IV by Kirby Woodburn et al (HMSO, 1958-69)

The Wild Green Earth by Bernard Fergusson (Collins, 1946)

About the author

Michael Hickey was commissioned in 1949 and served with the RASC in Korea from 1950-52. In 1981, he retired as a General Staff Colonel with the Ministry of Defence. He is the author of The Unforgettable Army - Slim and the 14th Army in Burma (1992); Gallipoli (1995) and The Korean War 1950-53 (1999).






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Chindits in Burma, 1944

British and Indian troops in action, 80 miles south of Mandalay, in March 1945

Madras Sappers and Miners work on a 'corduroy' road east of Kohima, on the Jessami track, August 1944. Timber provided a cheap way of producing a reasonably durable road surface for those hard-to-reach areas where mule or air transport was not enough.

Indian Paratroopers during World War II, with a British officer. Source: Parachute Regiment (India).

The first Indians to parachute - Captain Rangaraj (right) and Havildar Major Mathura Singh (left).

British and Indian troops exchange pleasantries as they meet on the road between Imphal and Kohima following the successful relief of the Kohima box. Circa April 1944.

A truly spectacular image. In the heat of the moment - Indian soldiers storm a German trench, after exploding it with hand grenades. Circa 1945.

An Italian soldier surrenders to a Jawan, during Operation Crusader, of an unnamed Division and Regiment, on 08 December 1941. The purpose of Operation Crusader was two-fold; to relieve Tobruk and destroy the Afrika Korp. First part of the conflict was a success, the second a failure. The battle took place between the Egyptian border and El Agheila in Libya.

An Indian soldier holds a captured Nazi flag. Circa 1945.

Medium artillery guns get unusual attention from their detachments.

Indian paratroopers being dropped at Elephant Point, Burma on 1 May 1945.

Flag captured from the 90th Panzer Light Division at Ruweisat Ridge. Circa 1942.

A Lieutenant Colonel from the 20th Indian Division, accepts the formal surrender of a Japanese Commander at Saigon, Vietnam in September 1945.

A group from the 152nd Para Battalion displaying the Japanese flag they captured while operating against the Japanese Army at Tangkhul Hundung. Circa 1945.

The Great War (World War I) A cover from a piece of British sheet music. Circa 1914. Note that the Indian soldiers are pictured as still being armed with the single shot Martini-Henry rifles and muzzle loading artillery!">

Not a SINGLE Soviet base was ever present on Indian territory.

52 posted on 04/11/2005 9:38:36 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jeff Head

Well, Jeff, you and I disagree on this. For you, this is an academic exercise. Or a fictional one. You have never lived in or even been to India.

I lived in India for 24 years and can tell you that the level of mistrust for Communist China in India is very great. No Indian leader can align this democratic country with a communist country that supports Pakistan, tries to encircle India, and still sits on its territory.

And my track record, to be blunt, is better than yours. I predicted 9/11 in my book (see profile and tagline) and it came true. And I predict India will NOT form a military alliance with communist China.


53 posted on 04/11/2005 9:47:03 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Redleg Duke

Khannie-Boy is right here dude. Check out my last few post about India-China and why we have to dance with the devil.


54 posted on 04/11/2005 9:47:04 AM PDT by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: razoroccam

"And I predict India will NOT form a military alliance with communist China. "

Amen


55 posted on 04/11/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: razoroccam

And as things stand currently, India will neither ally with the US.


56 posted on 04/11/2005 9:50:03 AM PDT by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: razoroccam; Jeff Head
And I predict India will NOT form a military alliance with communist China.

Having lived in India for three years and visiting it yearly, I wholeheartedly concur with your prediction! This is purely a pragmentary decision by India that is temporal at best.

57 posted on 04/11/2005 9:53:38 AM PDT by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: Srirangan

Quote: India would never enter into a strategic partnership with China

If you could go back to the 50 or '60's or even the '70's and tell someone that the US is freely sending millions of jobs and hi-tech factories to a communist country (china) they would have had you committed to a mental hospital for the insane.


58 posted on 04/11/2005 10:10:04 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: Srirangan

This is Russia's doing.


59 posted on 04/11/2005 10:12:12 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: razoroccam

some states in india like west bengal are communist states..


60 posted on 04/11/2005 10:17:46 AM PDT by minus_273
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