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To: SamAdams76
Exactly. This is a classic case of a solution in search of a problem. Most smart men I know are happily married and at the risk of sounding presumptous, I include myself among the smart men who are happily married.

Funny, your post struck me as proving the author's point precisely. Being happily married, aren't you presuming that you have or know or can say what generates or fosters those attributes that increase the success rate of those men who find themselves dating-challenged? I mean, that is the specific thing that this for-sale program claims to address. Being happily married, it seems to me that you are in exactly the opposite position of someone who is interested in changing their behavior to foster the meeting of suitable dating partners. Whether this program does an effective job of imparting or supplying that knowledge or information is something I know a buyer has an opportunity to evaluate for himself, as I know this offeror has a satisfaction guarantee.

I was speaking to a friend today about the notion that virtually everyone has some habit or activity pattern that they carry out at some markedly different competence level from most of their other activites. (Extreme example: idiot savant. Milder example: Doctors/dentists who make terrible investments. Accountants who can't balance their own checkbooks)

If this was a less charged issue than dating; supposedly leading to a relationship with a marriage partner of suitable stock etc etc; and the implied tie-up with individual morals and values....say, learning a foreign language..do you think you would have your objections to a scientific or methodical approach as this for-sale program claims for itself? Sure, the offeror is marketing a product and attempting to appeal to potential customers via "giveaways" or samples such as what was quoted in the original post. Ain't that the American way generally lauded in these parts? I have been the recipient of his e-mailings. Not having bought his program, I nevertheless find his approach and "samples" useful. One can pooh-pooh the whole notion of applying any sort of methodology to dating, but if the purpose of dating is to sort through a number of candidates in order to find the best potential life-partner [and...that's only ONE utility or outcome] then if you [generic you] are going to say "that only works with sluts or psychos" then IMO you are short circuiting the process. Frankly, in my experience you can't tell if they are sluts or psychos until you have spent some time with them, and you can't spend much time with them if you blow them off with ineffective behaviors. So I just don't see anything wrong with trying to correct ineffective behaviors if they happen to afflict you.

116 posted on 04/10/2005 5:42:56 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
For the most part, men who "have it together" are going to attract women in swarms. Most smart men are in that category.

All other things being equal, men living at home with their parents and working a nondescript job are going to have a hard time with the ladies. But men who are pulling in a good paycheck and have a nice place to live are going to be fighting them off. Usually it is the "smart" men who put themselves into the latter category.

I think a lack of social skills can actually work in a man's favor. Men who are "babe magnets" get all the floozies, gold-diggers and other undesirables clinging onto them. Men who are more shy and more socially awkward may not get the hot dates but that built-in filter eventually works in their favor, as they usually end up with a decent woman.

121 posted on 04/10/2005 6:04:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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