Posted on 04/10/2005 11:43:25 AM PDT by indthkr
As we can see from many of the comments, vanity and effeminacy are the main attributes that can quickly leave a country far behind in high technology ingenuity.
Developers and engineering technicians should begin working as consultants and by contract only now, worldwide. Advertise with hype sheets, and refuse to fill out applications.
And Mr. Greenspan: lower the rate again! They're still too conceited and lazy!
Good to hear that. I'm an IC designer too. Mainly RF stuff. Are you involved with Cadence ?
And as for research being done in this country, C'mon.. everyone knows who is doing the bulk of research in American industrial and technological establishments.. Asians, of course.. Indians, Chinese, Koreans with advanced degrees in engineering.. And they werent "recruited" by US government to be "trained" in those fields.. thats horse sh*t.. they got into grad schools because they are more talented than the locals, have better math skills for one and two, because they are willing to commit the best years of their lives to serious study, unlike the locals who would rather earn money, hit bars every night and get laid ;) than subject themselves to the arduous task of obtaining higher degrees in engineering.
GM does not own or run Toyota or Honda but they have shared some car platforms in the past(toyota corolla and chenv Nova for instance). Ford owns a part of Mazda. Toyota and Honda is eating GM's lunch and if things keep going as planned (and GM does not go bankrupt in he meantime) Toyota will be the biggest automaker in the world in 3-4 years.(GM loses 2% marketshare everyyear)
Yes Toyota designs are coming out of California. They do that to be closer to their marketplace and to have a feel culturely what the americans want and the cars are designed by americans for the most part in Ca.. Toyota also has R&D in Europe and other countries as well for each specific marketplace including a new plant in china.
Brian I would never say never to what may happen with china or india. Don't look at the USSR as an example. The US never sent factories and millions of jobs to russia in their communist heyday.
So?
In recent years I've seen the Indian press publish articles about the need for innovation. Education emphasizes passing tests rather that innovative thinking.
Also, some westerners have questioned the shortcut to "superpower" status. To wit, the economy is being pumped up by outside forces. India's history has been supplying raw materials. First minerals for example and now "gray matter." China is Lenin's NEP, IMO.
One Indian who understands says, "India is on the cusp of interesting new times. . . we have the golden opportunity to present ourselves as designers of monuments, not suppliers of granite."
But things have to change in India. Most of the designers are nonresident Indian citizens working in the U.S. They need to work for India say the resident Indians.
There is much discussion such as this four-part series, "The path to 'super innovation' in India," published last year at http://www.rediff.com.
<< "There is some software piracy, but doesnt mean India and China are sustaining themselves by stolen technology from US. I dont think thats an honest depiction of reality." >>
More than Forty Per Cent of "china's" economy is from intellectual theft, fraud and counterfeiting. Much of the rest comes from being the site of misguided western manufacturers factories and from reverse-engineered western innovations and creations.
Around a billion people in each state know only effective and/or actual slavery and grinding poverty and are yet to experience a standard of living any different from and subsist at a level similar to that experienced in the west hundreds of years ago, during its "Middle Ages."
Regardless of what you feel [Advisedly -- it shouldn't be confused with thought -- or on-the-ground first-hand knowledge with whose authority I back my observations] -- that honest depiction of reality comes close to the very definition of "sustaining themselves on stolen technology."
<< And as for research being done in this country, C'mon.. everyone knows who is [Being employed by Americans and by American Capital to do] the bulk of [American research in American industrial and technological establishments ... >>
.... Americans, of course .... Many of them immigrant Americans and Americans of Indian, Chinese and Korean descent.
Who some racists in an other-than-honest depiction of American reality might call other than Americans or consider to be less than American.
You for example.
I didn't mean to imply that. At the time of the Revolution, students knew more at 12 than today's students do at 18. Today's public "education" "system" makes sure that most people hardly learn anything. We need something completely different.
I meant the American Revolution.
Of course, there are plenty of talented people all over the world, not just in Asia.. but nowhere do they reward you for being smarter and good at sciences like in some Asian societies. Its like being a jock in American culture. ;)
".... Americans, of course .... Many of them immigrant Americans and Americans of Indian, Chinese and Korean descent.
Who some racists in an other-than-honest depiction of American reality might call other than Americans or consider to be less than American.
You for example."
Clearly the post by desidude_in_us is NOT some kind
of racist diatribe. Your reaction seems to more like
a symptom of frontal lobe damage than an analysis of
what he was trying to convey.
Actually brian , you are the one who is out of touch with reality. And for all your fact based observations you should post more links rather than propoganda.
http://news.com.com/Brain+drain+in+techs+future/2100-1008_3-5299249.html?tag=nl
Foreign students increasing form the back bone of leading edge scientific research in the US.
In fact your views on everything asian seem quite racist.
I contest your claim that 40% of china's economy is from fraud. The american companies are themselves setting up factories there. Its free market capitalism. If the US companies felt their ideas were being stolen on such a grand scale they wouldnt be going there in droves would they?
GE has their largest R&D lab in bangalore.. that wouldnt be if people in bangalore were living in middle ages.
Before you say bangalore is an exception, I say its not.
Even my opinions are based on-the-ground first-hand knowledge as I am writing this from India.
"Around a billion people in each state know only effective and/or actual slavery and grinding poverty "
China is the worlds largest cellular phone market. So need links when you talk such rubbish.
A diatribe that includes the insulting language and hate speech in which you have wrapped your inane generalities posing as arguments is barely worthy of comment.
At least that is what my Asian wife and extended Asian family says as we sit here in Asia where I have spent around three quarters of the past 44 years and during which time I have travelled several hundred times into around and out of every corner of India, Pakistan and East-Pakistan/Bangladesh.
[Not to mention all of Africa, the Mid-East, the Persian Gulf, all the rest of Asia including the 3.7 square miles [The majority of which -- more than 2.5 million square miles -- is comprised of brutally enslaved other Peoples lands, territories, sovereign states and nations -- including some of India's!] that Peking's self-annointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating predators call "china"]
I suggest, however, that before you attempt to rationally relate to reality you first rid yourself of both your hesperophobia and the enormous post-colonial log in your eye and on your shoulder that appears to blind you to the reality of present day India and China. [Not to be confused with either place's poential!]
And then you might look up the definition of FRee Market and/or Laissez-Faire Capitalism in other than a socialist tract and while you're at it become familiar with the Peter Principle that without exception operates in every one of the world's hierarchies -- and no less in those of the moronic American corporations that have put their owners Capital in the paws of the lying, looting, thieving, invading, colonizing, enslaving and mass-murdering gangster-bastards-posing-as-politicians that so-grandiosely call themselves "china" -- than in New Delhi, Islamabad and Dhakka.
Or, come to that -- in Washington DC!
Meanwhile here is a list of beautiful books to further clear your mind of prejudices and open it to but a few of life's possibilities.
[They are all available in India -- cheap, of course -- no royalties having been forwarded from there to their creators and/or to the owners of their intellectual content]
Blessings -- Brian
Enjoy:
We the Living (1936) - This is the first and most autobiographical of all of Ayn Rand's novels. It is also a good book for teenagers. So many young lives are destroyed before they have really begun in this gut-wrenching novel. For those who consider Rand to be arrogant and caustic, it is necessary to understand what she witnessed as a young woman in communist Russia. This book will make you appreciate all of the blessings we enjoy in this great country.
Anthem (1938) - I have recommended this book before (see last year's summer reading list). It is a good starting place for teens who have an aversion to reading. At around 100 pages, it has a fast-moving plot. As a professor at a university dominated by identity politics, I see this novel as something more than grim prophesy. Rand captures 1984 ten years before Orwell. She explains the campus diversity movement 50 years before its onset.
The Fountainhead (1943) - Ellsworth Toohey is, in my opinion, the most memorable character from this famous Ayn Rand novel. Toohey was supposed to remind readers of Joseph Stalin. In the wake if the 2004 election, he reminds me of someone else. At around 700 pages, this novel may be a bit long for the average high school student. But, then again, many high school students were required to read it in the 1950s. Rand's philosophy of objectivism really begins to take shape in this classic thriller.
The Road to Serfdom (1944) - After I published last year's summer reading list, I was criticized for two omissions. One was "Orthodoxy" by G.K. Chesterton. The other was "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek. Complaints regarding the latter exceeded complaints regarding the former by about two to one. Nothing more need be said.
Animal Farm (1946) - Maybe your high school student is having trouble in his English classes. Maybe that is, in part, due to his inability to pick up on symbolism. I flunked English four years in a row in high school, partly because of my inability to pick up on obvious literary symbols. Nonetheless, I picked up on everything in this great little novel. While this list is presented in chronological order, "Animal Farm" might be the best starting place among these ten books.
1984 (1948) - Over the next few years, how many students will get a daily dosage of "the two minutes hate" by professors who are still seething with anger after the defeat of John Kerry? And how many times will the Office of Diversity remind us of the opening pages of 1984 as it seeks to do exactly the opposite of what its name implies?
Witness (1952) - This is one of the most important books of the twentieth century. Before and after reading this book, parents should encourage their children to visit www.biography.com and search for the name "Alger Hiss." What they read will demonstrate just how far in denial this nation still is regarding the Soviet infiltration of our government during the Cold War.
After 9/11, we can no longer afford such naiveté.
The Gulag Archipelago (1956) - If you did not think that "We the Living" painted a realistic portrait of Soviet Russia during the Stalinist purges, this great work of non-fiction by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn will set matters straight. Some call it the greatest non-fiction book of the twentieth century. I can't argue.
Atlas Shrugged (1957) - This is my favorite American novel. It is my second favorite novel behind "The Brothers Karamazov." Based on her other writings, Ayn Rand seems to have considered John Galt's speech to be the highlight of the novel. Francisco d'Anconia's speech at Jim Taggart's wedding was my favorite part of the novel. At over 1000 pages, this one is going to take time for your high schooler to read. If they refuse, you can always teach them a lesson about capitalism by paying them to read it. The results will be well worth the investment.
Treason (2003) - The www.biography.com entry for Joseph McCarthy says the following: "His wild, unsubstantiated charges and headline-grabbing investigations of Communists in the foreign service, the US Information Agency, and the military...led historians to label the early 1950s the McCarthy era." After you read this wonderful book by Ann Coulter, ask the good folks at A&E just what those unsubstantiated charges were. And, in class, make sure your children ask their professors, too. Be prepared for a lot of stammering, after a long and awkward pause.
<< .... but [Except in America] nowhere do they reward you for being smarter and good at sciences like in some Asian societies. Its like being a jock in American culture. ;) >>
Yair.
Right.
Or like being Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Albert Einstein, Colonel Young Oak Kim, Verner von Braun, Dr. William Pickering, Henry Kissinger, Ieoh Ming Pei, Maya Lin, Shiing-shen Chern, Subramanyan Chandrasekhar, Steven Chu, David Ho, Har Gobind Khorana, Tsuing-Dao Lee, Yuan T. Lee, Chang-Lin Tien, Samuel C. C. Ting, Tuan Vo-Dinh, An Wang, Flossie Wong-Staal, Wu
Chien-Shiung, Chen Ning Yang -- or Bill Gates.
For starters, I believe that Apple Computer has manufacturing facilities in Shanghai. At least some of the assembly for their power macs is done there. Their software is loaded onto the machines in the USA.
"hundred times into around and out of every corner of India, Pakistan and East-Pakistan/Bangladesh."
I dont believe you have seen India as it exists today.
"first rid yourself of both your hesperophobia "
What did I say to suggest that?
" Peter Principle that without exception operates in every one of the world's hierarchies -- and no less in those of the moronic American corporations"
Outsourcing happens all over the world and is economics 101. More so it did not begin with China. The same things that you say of china were oncesaid about america. Capital moves where it finds itself more productive and where resources for production are cheap and abundant. This has nothing to do with the peter principle.
I am not defending chinese record on human rights but to stop trading withthem isnt going to improvethings.
BTW none of the books you suggested talk about economic theories . And as far as moronic american companies are concerned find me a single economist who says investing in China is stupid.
... or Bobby Fisher ;)
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