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Rift emerges in GOP after Schiavo case
Boston Globe ^ | April 9, 2005 | Nina J. Easton

Posted on 04/09/2005 3:48:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: FairOpinion; Jorge
"For the MILLIONTH TIME:"

Brace yourself Jorge, here comes the slap down. It's the price you pay for being consistent.
41 posted on 04/09/2005 5:19:16 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt; Jorge

"It's the price you pay for being consistent."

NO. It's the "price", if you can call it that, for stubbornly ignoring FACTS.


42 posted on 04/09/2005 5:20:10 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Also note, that Judge Greer didn't just "allow" MS to pull the tube, he specificaly ordered, then reemphasized that Terri be given NO food or water by any means.

Maybe this POS George Felos was able to shop for Judge Greer and knew how he felt about euthanasia. Maybe they know each other? Judge Greer was given award by the Clearwater bar association and the presenter was Scientology's top lawyer.

Any kind of fair and human judge would have blasted Mike Schiavo out of the courtroom and told him never to come back. There was enough latitude in this case for a good judge to have revoked Mikey Schiavo's guardianship which gave him control over Terri.

43 posted on 04/09/2005 5:24:01 PM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: longtermmemmory
There is no rift. LOL - you are joking – I hope!
44 posted on 04/09/2005 5:28:36 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: FairOpinion
...the judiciary has become more powerful than Congress and the President...

You got that right!
They no longer rule the Constitutionality of laws, they rule by their own feelings of the way they want the law to be.
Equal branch, my foot.

45 posted on 04/09/2005 5:30:43 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: longtermmemmory
Terri is not going to cause a "split" because even after the death, republicans still agree on the same enemies.

This sounds good, but it doesn't correspond to reality. Right now, just bring up the words "Terri Schiavo" on a thread and watch what happens. And this is just a forum for old guys in pajamas!

46 posted on 04/09/2005 5:32:26 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: mlc9852
You call being "pro-life" simplistic and one-dimensional?

Actually I described them as "so-called" pro-life views.

Many of us who are pro-life don't agree with the simplistic and one dimension grasp of the issue by some who call themselves "pro-life" in this debate.

47 posted on 04/09/2005 5:32:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: FairOpinion
If that SOB shiavo wanted to abide by Terri's wishes he should have let her die 15 years ago. Bush should have done more.
I'd like to meet one woman in this world that would have condoned her husband going on with his life with another woman and having a couple of kids and then deciding its time for you to go, honey, ten years later.
There were too many conflicting accounts about this whole "situation" to take one man's word for it.
48 posted on 04/09/2005 5:32:37 PM PDT by RedwM (Peace and Love to Terri. RIP)
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To: MizSterious
Since when is food and water "extraordinary life saving measures?"

They aren't.
However the Supreme Court has decided that every individual has the constitutional right to control his or her own medical treatment, including being sustained by a feeding tube in a PVS.

49 posted on 04/09/2005 5:35:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: longtermmemmory

There is quite a rift. Many conservatives, including myself, are withdrawing our affiliation from the Republican party. Those actions are not within FR alone.


50 posted on 04/09/2005 5:37:23 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: FairOpinion
1. Terri did NOT refuse "extraordinary life-saving medical treatment".

The courts determined that it was her desire not to be sustained in a PVS indefinitely by ANY means.

I don't if they were wrong and neither do you.

51 posted on 04/09/2005 5:39:12 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

Well, what is your "grasp" of pro-life? What does it mean to you?


52 posted on 04/09/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: FairOpinion

"NO. It's the "price", if you can call it that, for stubbornly ignoring FACTS."

First, let me give you a hand for being the "fastest post in the west", that was amazing. I didn't even manage to get my page reloaded before you got your reply in.

But really I do not want to get too far of topic, and although the Schiavo case was brought up in the article I was loath to bring it up again (but I did, my fault). I would be happy to go through this with you in private or you can browse through one of a thousand related threads.

Really the bigger issue, and one that predates that case, is the rift caused by the abandonment of the conservative principles of small government. The new direction of the republican party is in the direction of big government, federal supremacy, removal of the separation of branches, and integration of Christian dogma with politics. This makes me and many others (majority, minority I don't know) quite uncomfortable to say the least. That is the rift they are eluding to in the article and that is a very real phenomenon.

Will it result in a mass exodus to the libertarian party? I doubt it, but the republican party only needs to lose a couple percentage points to once again become the minority. These issues are best worked internally out before a split of even a small number of supporters.


53 posted on 04/09/2005 5:41:26 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

It's all way too predictable....isn't it :)


54 posted on 04/09/2005 5:41:29 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
And the Supreme Court committed a barbaric act to deny this woman's right to life. It is an atrocity and an outrage...the handiwork of barbarians.

Don't try to wrap the bloody dagger of death to an innocent in the U.S. constitution.

She was murdered...slowly and painfully by judges who should be jailed for it.

It is wickedness.

55 posted on 04/09/2005 5:42:16 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Jorge
I don't think anyone argues that. Just most of us don't believe for a minute that is what Terri ever told her lying, cheating husband. That is the issue. If a person doesn't have definite (either in writing or told to their family) wishes for end-of-life care, then we must assume the person would have wanted life-sustaining treatment. You know Terri's only "life support" was a feeding tube. To argue she was being artificially kept alive is disingenuous or ignorant of the facts.
56 posted on 04/09/2005 5:44:00 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Absolutely barbaric, immoral, and according to the Constitution of the United States, illegal, as their is a presumption of the right to LIFE, that cannot be legally taken away by hearsay.


57 posted on 04/09/2005 5:45:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: k2blader
They'll agree if their constituents put enough pressure on them. But we have to act now. Otherwise, the next big national story to come along will divert our attention and they'll sweep the Terri "problem" under the rug forever.
58 posted on 04/09/2005 5:46:09 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: nicmarlo

So you're gonna become a Dem? If so, you weren't/aren't a true Republican anyway. You know - RINO.


59 posted on 04/09/2005 5:47:22 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: FairOpinion
pressing Congress to impeach judges and defund courts they consider ''activist" and to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts over some sensitive social matters...

I think all of us conservatives here at FR support this, even as some of us don't think the Schiavo is an example. I, for one, think that judges should face removal for not basing their decisions on law and that federal jurisdiction over 'sensitive social matters' should be limited, but I also want my right to die protected.

Keep in mind that the judicial decisions made in the Schiavo case (even those by liberal judges) were very conservative decisions based on longstanding law. It was a small group of extreme pro-lifers who wanted to jettison the law and look for a particular result with which they agreed.

But time to unite again on getting the federal courts out of 'social issues'. Tell DeLay and the panderers in Congress: no more midnight bills trying to jettison the law and get a particular result. That's the liberals approach, not ours.

60 posted on 04/09/2005 5:47:47 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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