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Intelligence Operations: Dealing With The Fiber Optic Data Flood (Fascinating stuff!)
Strategy Page ^ | April 8, 2003 | Unattributed

Posted on 04/09/2005 12:23:55 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Nick Danger; Covenantor
You may want to recalibrate your meter.

An Oversimplified Overview of Undersea Cable Systems

Power on repeatered cables

When repeaters are needed they must be powered. The standard approach is to send a constant current of about 1A from one end of the cable to the other, along a copper sheath, which lies outside the Fibers and inside the armour (if present). Each km of cable offers a resistance of some 0.7 ohm, and the voltage drop across each repeater is typically 40V (on four Fiber-pair cable), leading to a requirement of close to 10 KV across a typical 7500 km transatlantic crossing with 100 repeaters. In branched cable systems the power management becomes somewhat more complex, and the branching units incorporate very high reliability relays to cope with the power reconfiguration needed in case of repairs.

21 posted on 04/09/2005 1:32:10 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: quidnunc
American intelligence agencies have less trouble getting information, than in finding ways to store it. This situation changed in the 1990s as fiber optic cable became the cheapest way to move huge amounts of electronic data at the speed of light.

In a slightly different take, while moving and storing data rapidly is necessary, it is not sufficient. Where we fall very short is in the analysis end, where collected data often sits for days / month / years wanting for analysis and interpretation.

22 posted on 04/09/2005 1:34:46 PM PDT by infocats
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To: Clock King
There is simply too much "noise" (useless data) in everyday communications to really sort through

Can you imagine sorting through a data base of every cell phone call in a day in a metropolitan area. Given my reaction to being forced to listen to one unwanted cell phone call, I would go stark-raving mad trying to listen to a whole cities worth.

23 posted on 04/09/2005 1:37:02 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Nick Danger
Bingo! Voltage? What voltage? Just us photons here!

For that matter, I don't think one taps a fiber line like a conventional phone line. You can cut and splice fiber, but you can't apply a 'T' tap.

24 posted on 04/09/2005 1:40:27 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: eno_
eno_ wrote: 4. I think all of this crap about tapping submarine cables is a cover story. The way you do it in real life is you bribe someone to let you tap in at a landing point or a SONET switch on land. You backhaul on another lambda to a friendlier place.

We've concentrated on tapping undersea cables for some time.

We used to take subs inshore to spy on cable transmissions as far back as when the USSR was still in existance.

Here's a short description of the USS Jimmy Carter and its capabilities, insofar as they're known publically.

http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00116002

25 posted on 04/09/2005 1:49:08 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: DugMac

Within the same sheath. Parallel right next to the fiber itself.


26 posted on 04/09/2005 1:51:43 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: infocats
Where we fall very short is in the analysis end, where collected data often sits for days / month / years wanting for analysis and interpretation.

In about three years, someone is finally going to get around to replaying a digital capture of a phone call which says "Okay, boys, Osama says we fly tomorrow into the World Trade Centers!"
27 posted on 04/09/2005 1:53:07 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: beezdotcom
In about three years, someone is finally going to get around to replaying a digital capture of a phone call which says "Okay, boys, Osama says we fly tomorrow into the World Trade Centers!"

Sad...but probably true.

28 posted on 04/09/2005 1:57:47 PM PDT by infocats
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To: AndyJackson

Look at Paracel. Look at Mercury. Now think of how many BILLIONS the NSA can afford to spend on toys even more advanced than these. General-purpose speaker-independent speech recognition and sophisticated filtering are probably applied to EVERY phone call into and out of the Middle East.


29 posted on 04/09/2005 4:24:47 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: quidnunc

"We" were also going to mine manganese nodules off the sea floor. I'm sure you know what they were actually fishing for.


30 posted on 04/09/2005 4:26:31 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Clock King

The "noise" is not a problem wihen it comes to conventional voice calls. There are only so many international calls live at any one time. I have no inside information on how the NSA does it, but an educated guess would be:

Speaker recognition to identify calls by people they want to listen to. This eliminates the need for tapping specific lines (that's for those lAm3rz at FBI, at the NSA, they listen to wholesale quantities of traffic).

Speech recognition to turn calls into transcripts. They can apply many times the power of the most powerful PC to this task.

Lots of sophisticated filtering to find the interesting transcripts.


31 posted on 04/09/2005 4:34:36 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
But then what about satellite calls, internet, etc? Even though it is limited as well, it would still seem overwhelming.

Lots of sophisticated filtering to find the interesting transcripts.

I saw a CIA analyst on a news show a few years ago. He explained that the problem almost always requires human interpretation. Evil people will never talk openly about their plans. They'll use ever-changing "street" lingo or say simple things like "did you receive your order as promised?" Stuff we all do every day. Plus for voice recognition, we'd need a sample. Do we even know what Zarqawi sounds like? I don't mean some scratchy tape, but well enough to feed a sample for voice-recognition over a 4kHz limited voice line? And you can bet Bin-Laden isn't giving direct orders. Ultra-heavy processing power is a great assist to those who need to protect us, but it still requires the "man on the ground" to keep the system fed with up to date information.

32 posted on 04/09/2005 5:22:41 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Clock King
Plus for voice recognition, we'd need a sample.

For speaker ID, you need a sample. For speech recognition, you don't.

There are not an overwhelming number of international calls. I'd bet there are no more than couple hundred lines in and out of Afghanistan - if that. Perhaps a couple thousand in and out of Iraq. We probably p0wneD Iraq's voice and data networks a few months before the war started, and we probably still monitor those networks closely.

Satellites have much lower capacity than the terrestrial phone network, and can be comprehensively tapped at the downlinks. VOIP calls are probably hard to monitor, and encrypted IMs are probably quite hard. But conventional voice calls between countries and within a few interesting countries are not too much to monitor.

33 posted on 04/09/2005 6:50:29 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: quidnunc

this is, of course, known as "jimmying" the cable


34 posted on 04/09/2005 11:27:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: 6SJ7; Nick Danger
Bingo! Voltage? What voltage? Just us photons here!

The cables carry electricity to power repeaters.

Technology isn't good enough to shine the light in on one side of the ocean and see it on the other side without amplification in between.

35 posted on 04/09/2005 11:30:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: eno_
In fact, the place to "splice in" is at these repeaters since there is no need to splice the fiber at all. Instead, you tap in to the repeater's electronics.

Would you even need to "splice into" the electronics directly? Wouldn't there be enough RF leakage to pick it up just by parking an appropriate antenna next to the repeater?

36 posted on 04/10/2005 9:01:26 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Clock King
And you can bet Bin-Laden isn't giving direct orders.

If I had to lay money on it, I'd still bet that Bin-Laden was vaporized early in the war, and the CIA has been giving out orders in his name as a "sock puppet" in order to sucker in more terrorists. "Abdul, meet your contact at 123 Falafel Street at 11:00pm". Then poor Abdul "just happens" to get nabbed by the Marines as he pulls up to the parking lot. Of course, we have to put out a "Bin Laden" tape every few months to keep up appearances.

37 posted on 04/10/2005 9:05:06 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Wouldn't there be enough RF leakage to pick it up just by parking an appropriate antenna next to the repeater?

The body of the repeater is pretty heavy-duty metal, and any RFI that could be used to pick up the signal on the cable won't travel through salt water. Possibly possibly the power conductor in the cable could pick this up and carry it out of the repeater. Maybe something could be glued onto the cable?

38 posted on 04/11/2005 6:08:45 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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