[Killborn]

There are two kinds of moderates. Those who beieve the lies of the left on domestic issues and those who believe the lies of the left on international issues.

[NathanR]

you forgot those who believe the lies of liberals on moral issues.

I was probably one of your first types. The thing is that Democrat politicians used to love the US. The whole antiwar thing took seed in the 1960's and bore fruit in the 1980's In the 1970's there were still Democrats who loved their country. 'Scoop' Jackson was one, who I voted in the Washington State Democrat caucus in 1976. I ended up voting for Ford, because I did not trust Carter.

I became more conservative, as the Democrats became more liberal and 'progressive'.