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The Minutemen Will Make A Fool Of President Bush
GDO Online ^ | 4/8/05

Posted on 04/08/2005 1:46:00 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

President Bush has called the Minutemen, who are now patrolling the U.S.-Mexican border:"vigilantes." I suppose that Bush believes anyone who wishes to help enforce our laws and maintain U.S. sovereignty is a vigilante. If our president had not abdicated his responsibility in this matter, the Minuteman Project would not exist. However, he did and they are doing a great job!

Despite the erroneous propaganda perpetuated by the liberal media, the ACLU, the Mexican government, and even our president, the Minutemen are not a group of wild-eyed racists--with bloodlust in their hearts. They are retired police officers, former military men, laborers, businessmen, moms, and dads, in short--they are a cross section of America. The only difference between these Americans and most of us, is the fact that they are willing to sacrifice their time and are even willing to put themselves in harm's way. They like most of us, are fed up with our government's lack of interest in enforcing our borders.

Much has been made of the fact that many of the Minutemen volunteers carry firearms.They do not chase down illegals with guns drawn. They are carrying weapons for self-defense purposes only. They do not apprehend suspects. They are simply operating as the eyes and ears of the incredibly under-staffed U.S. Border Patrol. The area along the Arizona border with Mexico (where the Minutemen are stationed) has become a very violent sector, filled with Latin American drug smugglers. Perhaps, we should remind the left that we as U.S. citizens, still have the right to bear arms.

The Minutemen have taken on the responsibility of spotting and reporting anyone seen, illegally crossing the border. Period.

The Project's duties were well described by Minuteman spokesman Mike McGarry this weekend, he said : "You observe them, report them, and get out of the way."

This past weekend saw the first patrols of the Minutemen, which yielded several arrests of illegal aliens. On Saturday, volunteers spotted and reported sightings of illegal crossings. Their actions resulted in 18 arrests.

As of Tuesday (three days after patrols began), the Minutemen were responsible for aiding in the arrest of 176 illegal aliens. These numbers will continue to rise and by the end of April, this dedicated group of men and women will have done their country a great service. With every illegal alien who is apprehended, President Bush looks a bit more foolish and impotent.


TOPICS: US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush43; bushamnesty; bushbash05; illegalaliens; minutemanproject; minutemen
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To: norton

The current and widening split in the GOP over this issue should be reffered to as Malkinization or becoming heavily Malkinized.


101 posted on 04/08/2005 7:37:35 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: BurbankKarl

I think the MSM has successfully spun the story into a so what story. Nobody denies the problem, everyone admits there is a problem, and thus they turn the minutemen ito champions of stating the obvious.

I agree with the minutman project. It has succeeded in drawing attention. It has not succeeded because it has not changed any opionions.


102 posted on 04/08/2005 7:38:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Some 'hard line' anti-immigration guy will run (who can't get elected) and take enough votes from the GOP to put the Democrats right back in power (like they did with Wilson and Clinton).

This is true. But how do we get the GOP to change their tune on illegal immigration without some pressure in the form of votes? We may have to lose one election, but it may serve to get the Republican politicians back on the track their constituents want. All my letters and withdrawing of financial support to the GOP because of this issue has done nothing so far.
103 posted on 04/08/2005 7:39:28 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: SIDENET
The danger won't be from conservatives voting for Dems, it will be from them either voting third party or staying home.

Hillary will never get more than 43% of the vote (heck, thats what Bill got in 1992). Hence, the RATs will find another Perot as a 3rd party candidate. The only problem the next go-round, is that the wacky far left of the democratic party might also splinter off if Hillary tries to move to the center.

104 posted on 04/08/2005 7:42:17 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
Hillary will never get more than 43% of the vote (heck, thats what Bill got in 1992). Hence, the RATs will find another Perot as a 3rd party candidate. The only problem the next go-round, is that the wacky far left of the democratic party might also splinter off if Hillary tries to move to the center.

Hillary won't need to move any farther right - 43% will do if whoevers in charge of formulating Dim strategy in 08 finds a pro-border enforcement version of Perot.

The GOP will have no answer.

105 posted on 04/08/2005 7:45:43 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Dead Corpse
but I've been seeing more and more of them lately.

Kinda scary!

I had a conversation just the other day with a fellow who was trying to convince me how WONDERFUL open borders were.

Then I found out he was a One World Order type of guy.

All I could do was wonder "What in the HECK are you doing here, then?"

106 posted on 04/08/2005 7:51:17 AM PDT by MamaTexan (NATURAL LAW........If it was good enough for the Founders, then it's good enough for me!!)
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To: dfwgator
(Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)

Great tag line.
107 posted on 04/08/2005 7:51:26 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Serenissima Venezia
What is so "hard line" about enforcing our borders?

The vast majority of Americans, Republicans and Democrats want illegal immigrations stopped. If President Bush would enforce our borders his popularity would be higher.

In the next election if either a moderate or a conservative Republican campaigned on closing our borders it would be immensely popular. They would probably pick up blue collar Democrat votes and they sure would not be alienating very many Republicans on that issue.

Border control and a tough stance on illegals is a winning issue. Look at Prop 200 and Prop 187. These types of initiatives always win. Virtual unknown candidates in Utah and SoCal almost unseated incumbent Republicans (Cannon and Dreier) despite being outspent 10 to 1 and being attacked by the full weight of the Republican machine.

Very few of us voted for President Bush because we were happy about his position on immigration. Border control is a recipe for Republican victory.

108 posted on 04/08/2005 7:54:38 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: MamaTexan
I've run into several members of the Criminal Alien Lobby here. Very scary...

If Texas ever gets it's own version of the Minutemen running, I'll be volunteering some weekend time.

109 posted on 04/08/2005 8:01:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: biblewonk; HOORAH
I am trying to point out ... that there [are some] conservatives who simply [are unaware of] the problem. Learning about the existance of the Minutemen is a great way to get us isolated conservatives [up to speed] on the problem.

Yes, that's how I read your original post here.

Take a trip to Storm Lake in NW Iowa sometime. It used to be a quiet college town. From what I've heard, after a meat packing plant was built a few years ago -- no doubt with the usual gov't subsidies (e.g. tax relief) that follow every promise of hundreds of new {say it with reverence} JOBS!!! -- crime went way up. Now, guess who filled those new JOBS!!!. That's right. It got to be such a hot-button issue that Iowa Public Television did a fluff piece on the immigrants who live in Storm Lake, in order to portray them all as normal families with normal family values (which, undoubtedly, is true for some of them).

110 posted on 04/08/2005 8:10:29 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
I've got no problem with them if they come here legally. Yes, there are adjustment periods. A generation or two. No problem there. It wasn't with the Polish. The Germans. The Irish. Ect... It won't be with those who actually immigrate here.

The problem with our Southern border is two fold. One is migrant labor wanting to cross without going through the legal process and jumping back across the border after the get what they came for. Some stay to work the system and leech public resources via identity fraud or through "bleeding heart" social(-ist) programs. the second problem is that due to this porous border, we are wide open to ANY foriegner that can make it to Mexico. This includes Iraqi's, Jordanians, Egyptians, Iranians, and all kinds of folks who don't like us and our President says we are supposedly at war with.

Getting control of our borders does not mean we are anti-immigration. We just want CONTROL of it so that we know WHO is coming here and why. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

111 posted on 04/08/2005 8:20:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Dead Corpse
I'll be volunteering some weekend time.

GOOD for you!

Alas...I can't go, but I've already started putting some cash aside so I can at LEAST make a decent donation!!

112 posted on 04/08/2005 8:29:00 AM PDT by MamaTexan (NATURAL LAW........If it was good enough for the Founders, then it's good enough for me!!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Agreed.

Iowa already has an illegal alien problem, though. In fact, a couple stories made the national news during the past few months. A lot of them protested at the state capitol a few weeks ago because the Iowa Supreme Court denied driver's licenses to illegals.


113 posted on 04/08/2005 8:38:25 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
Deny them licenses? Heck, deny them medical care (accept bona fide emergencies), education, housing, everything accept maybe a one way ticket back to where ever the heck they came from and then charge their "home" country for the airfare.

If they were ID'd as illegals at that protest, then why wasn't the INS on-hand to round them up? Isn't that their fricken job?

114 posted on 04/08/2005 8:45:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: BurbankKarl
As much as I like the President, he is on the wrong side on this issue. This could cause big problems for the GOP in the future. I see the Democrats attempting to get to right of us on the illegal problem. They may not be to the right of us but they will say they are. It is the public perception that counts.
115 posted on 04/08/2005 8:49:00 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Caipirabob
"If the rats run a strong anti-illegal immigration platform they will wipe us out the next election."

Right you are.

Hillary has already gotten to the right of Bush on this issue.
And what does he care? He's not running for re-election.

116 posted on 04/08/2005 8:49:58 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: You Dirty Rats
Private citizens have no business bearing arms and deciding to become law enforcement -- particularly since the illegals crossing the border are not shooting their way in.

Astonished... simply astonished....

117 posted on 04/08/2005 8:58:34 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: jackbenimble

"What is so "hard line" about enforcing our borders?"

?I'm confused. I think you may have misread my post. I am extremely hard lined myself about this issue, having lived in Texas and S. Cal. I voted for prop. 187 years ago when it overwhelmingly passed. I've refused to give the GOP money lately, sending a note along with their requests stating that Bush's appeasement policy on illegal immigration is the reason and that I'll be sending the money to the MMP instead. I'll also be voting for any candidate (except Hillary and most other democrats) that will have a solid anti-illegal immigration policy, even if it costs the GOP an election. It may get them back on track to what their party-base wants.

So, I believe we are on the same side - and I may even be more to the right on this?


118 posted on 04/08/2005 9:10:11 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Sloth
Coopster: Until a viable third party somes along, voting for them is masturbatory - it makes you feel good, but accomplishes nothing.

Sloth: Unlike voting for Republicans, which makes you feel vaguely guilty, but still accomplishes nothing.

Good point. And what if touching yourself makes you feel vaguely guilty?

119 posted on 04/08/2005 9:10:40 AM PDT by The Coopster
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To: Dead Corpse
If they were ID'd as illegals at that protest, then why wasn't the INS on-hand to round them up?

Do you really want to know?

What is the legal definition of ‘legal’, anyway?

From law.com:

legal
adj., adv. according to law, not in violation of law or anything related to the law.

That seems to be pretty straightforward- now look at the legal definition of the opposed word, ‘illegal’-

illegal
1) adj. in violation of statute, regulation or ordinance, which may be criminal or merely not in conformity. Thus, an armed robbery is illegal, and so is an access road which is narrower than the county allows, but the violation is not criminal.

Well of course armed robbery is illegal; it’s a violation of the 8th Commandment. But if a narrow access road is illegal, how can it NOT be criminal?

Because any statute, regulation, ordinance or act that does anything OTHER than describe punishment for violations of Commandments 6 through 10 are not laws that affect the people! They are merely governmental policies, and only governmental entities must ‘conform’ to them!

(That’s how the government gets around the ‘Congress shall make no law’ part of the Constitution.)

Illegals get everything we do and then some precisely BECAUSE they are 'illegal'.... or to put it in simpler terms because THEY are still 'natural persons' (human beings) according to *law*.

Natural persons are NOT under the jurisdiction of ANY governmental entity UNLESS they violate Commandments 6 to 10!

THIS is why our Government kisses Fox's behind!

(Also how the politicians don't have to adhere to the 'law' BTW)

The US government is terrified that the American people will discover that the heritage of freedom bequeathed to us by the Founders has been taken from generations of Americans by the lies and deceit of the very people who were entrusted with guarding it!

(I know this probably sounds confusing. I do know what I'm talking about, even if I don't explain it very well:)

120 posted on 04/08/2005 9:24:50 AM PDT by MamaTexan (NATURAL LAW........If it was good enough for the Founders, then it's good enough for me!!)
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