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Military Support: Keep Fort A.P. Hill Open to the Scouts
THE RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH ^ | April 3, 2005 | BILL FRIST

Posted on 04/07/2005 4:30:23 PM PDT by neverdem

TIMES-DISPATCH GUEST COLUMNIST

Washington. This August, a diverse cross-section of American boyhood will eat, camp, learn, and work together during the Boy Scout Jamboree. For nine days every fourth year, the Boy Scouts of America's tent city -- which includes 35,000 scouts and 8,000 adult volunteers -- more than doubles the population of Caroline County, Virginia. At Fort A.P. Hill, a military training center about 40 miles from Richmond, Scouts from every state learn about conservation, practice archery, go rappelling, and study citizenship.

As it has done every year since 1937, the United States Army, which runs the fort, will send along 1,400 personnel for a one-of-a-kind-training opportunity in the vast logistical challenges of running an enormous tent city. The military provides no direct support and gives no money to the Scouts. And it gains more than a unique training experience: Since the Jamboree moved to Fort Hill nearly 25 years ago, the Boy Scouts of America have invested $15 million to build tent pads, improve drainage, and install electrical wires. Except during the Jamboree, the military and dozens of other organizations, public and private, can use these facilities free of charge. Since 1972, Congress has formally recognized and authorized the military's role in helping the Scouts.

THE JAMBOREE, however, may not continue this way for much longer: A New York-based special-interest group has sued to demand that the military drop its support for Scouting. A Chicago court will decide the case. Already the military has taken the symbolic action of reaffirming a policy that bars official support for private organizations. Roughly 200 Boy Scout troops -- many of them located on overseas military bases -- may have to find new official sponsors. And, although it is set to go on as planned this summer, the Jamboree's future at Fort...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aclu; aphill; boyscouts; bsa; dod; fortaphill; frist; jamboree; purge
I'm surprised that the ACLU has not challenged the concept of chaplains for the military yet.
1 posted on 04/07/2005 4:30:23 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This may be the straw that broke the ACLU's and the anti-Scout group's collective backs. The Scouts enjoy a large bipartisan backing in Congress. This may (we hope) cause the congresscritters to grow some cojones and assert their constitutional authority to override the courts.


2 posted on 04/07/2005 4:35:27 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: neverdem; SandRat; Old Sarge; kjfine

Ft. AP Hill - I *think* my cousin was stationed there for a while. Either that or my bro.

BSA ping


3 posted on 04/07/2005 4:39:39 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: StarCMC

I trained there when I was in TOBC (Transportation Officers Basic Course).


4 posted on 04/07/2005 4:43:09 PM PDT by kjfine (I wish that I had more time to spend with you guys!)
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To: kjfine

HEY THERE!! Wasn't sure if it was you or Tim.


5 posted on 04/07/2005 4:50:29 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: neverdem
I spent my first National Jamboree at Fort AP Hill; of course, my first had to also coincide with a hurricane that came on shore. It was a few years ago - we were one of two troops in the entire Jamboree that had dome tents.

Yeah, halfway through the night some of us had to get out and dig a little trench around our tents to draw off some of the water. All of our tents survived the night whole and sound. It was a near wasteland for the rest of the Jamboree.

Two nights later, everything was back together and we were enjoying a concert by the Beach Boys. It was funny.. Even though it was a miserable time that one night, everyone just shook it off and went on. We helped other troops get stuff cleaned up, loaned them any extra equipment we had without a second thought.

The ACLU should butt out. Their vendetta to separate church and state is denying people the freedom of religion and speech. It removes civil liberties in favor of the secular quasi-majority.
6 posted on 04/07/2005 5:31:41 PM PDT by kingu (What is union scale wage for staging a protest anyway?)
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To: nuke rocketeer

This may (we hope) cause the congresscritters to grow some cojones and assert their constitutional authority to override the courts.

This is an atrocity. If nothing else exposes the ACLU as an anti-American organization, this should. They have been pounding the Boy Scouts for years and getting away with it. We have the majority now, so I too hope they grow some cajones and do something about this.


7 posted on 04/07/2005 5:42:54 PM PDT by conshack
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To: StarCMC

I was on a field problem for three weeks at AP Hill with the 82nd many--okay, many, many years ago. It was all bramble, deadfalls, and armies of man-eating ticks. The notion of 'camping' there leaves me cold.


8 posted on 04/07/2005 5:55:44 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: neverdem

Dang! I will bust a gasket if Congress lets the ACLU interfere with the Boy Scout Jamboree. My oldest son will be old enough for the next one - he's just turned 11 and started Boy Scouts, after 5 years of Cubs.


9 posted on 04/07/2005 6:34:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do not fear the words of a sinner, for his splendor will turn into dung and worms.)
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To: neverdem
Roughly 200 Boy Scout troops -- many of them located on overseas military bases -- may have to find new official sponsors.

This is not a problem. They can still be sponsored by churches on base, NCO or Officer associations, Unit family support groups, or dozens of other options. They'll still be able to use the facilities under these arrangements.

There are ways around the AP Hill thing, too. Transfer the post to the Virginia National Guard seems to be an option.

10 posted on 04/07/2005 6:46:09 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (The last thing Reuters wants is a free and unfettered Iraqi press)
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To: conshack
They have been pounding the Boy Scouts for years and getting away with it.

Yes and no. They've been pounding the Scouts for years, but rarely successfully.

11 posted on 04/07/2005 6:47:33 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (The last thing Reuters wants is a free and unfettered Iraqi press)
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To: No Longer Free State

They have been pounding the Boy Scouts for years and getting away with it.
Yes and no. They've been pounding the Scouts for years, but rarely successfully.

Respectfully disagree. I work for the military and they have succeeded in preventing the scouts from utilizing virtually all facilities(even on a reimbursable basis).


12 posted on 04/07/2005 7:31:38 PM PDT by conshack
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To: neverdem

I cannot believe I even have to ask this question, but does anyone know of "Senator" Warner's position on this? JoAnn Davis is co-sponsoring this in the House.

If Warner is on the wrong side of this too, I think my head's gonna explode.


13 posted on 04/13/2005 6:13:50 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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