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Gay U.S. Soldier Wants to Serve Openly
AP ^ | 4/7/05 | Malia Rulon

Posted on 04/07/2005 2:31:08 PM PDT by Crackingham

An Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq wants a chance to remain in the military as an openly gay soldier, a desire that's bringing him into conflict with the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Sgt. Robert Stout, 23, says he has not encountered trouble from fellow soldiers and would like to stay if not for the policy that permits gay men and women to serve only if they keep their sexual orientation a secret.

"I know a ton of gay men that would be more than willing to stay in the Army if they could just be open," Stout said in an interview with The Associated Press. "But if we have to stay here and hide our lives all the time, it's just not worth it."

Stout, of Utica, Ohio, was awarded the Purple Heart after a grenade sent pieces of shrapnel into his arm, face and legs while he was operating a machine gun on an armored Humvee last May.

He is believed to be the first gay soldier wounded in Iraq to publicly discuss his sexuality, said Aaron Belkin, director of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California-Santa Barbara.

"We can't keep hiding the fact that there's gay people in the military and they aren't causing any harm," said Stout, who says he is openly gay among most of his 26-member platoon, which is part of the 9th Engineer Battalion based in Schweinfurt, Germany. Stout, who served in Iraq for more than a year as a combat engineer, said by acknowledging he is gay, he could be jailed and probably will be discharged before his scheduled release date of May 31.

"The old armchair thought that gay people destroy unit camaraderie and cohesion is just wrong," Stout said. "They said the same things when they tried to integrate African-Americans and women into the military."

Before the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, enacted in 1993 under the Clinton administration, the Pentagon had explicitly barred gays from military service. At least 24 countries, including Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, Canada and Israel, allow gays to serve openly.

In an e-mail following the AP interview, Stout said he had been ordered not to speak to the media. "I guess they found out somehow that I was talking to the press and now they are having a fit. I will try to get everything straightened out," Stout wrote.

Martha Rudd, a spokeswoman for the Army at the Pentagon, said soldiers who are discharged under "don't ask, don't tell" typically receive honorable discharges, although the timing would be up to the individual's commanding officer. She declined to comment about Stout, saying the Army doesn't comment on specific cases.

The issue of whether gays should be allowed to openly serve in the military has received increased attention in recent months as the Army has struggled to meet its recruiting goals. Twelve gays expelled from the military sued the government in December, citing a Supreme Court ruling that declared unconstitutional state laws against homosexual sex. The Bush administration has asked a federal court to dismiss the lawsuit.

Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey has said he opposes changing the policy, although Pentagon figures show a sharp decline in the number of U.S. military members discharged for making it known they are homosexual, falling from 1,227 in 2001 to 653 last year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buttbuddies; dod; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; iraq; noshame; perversion
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To: Wild Bill 10

ROTFLMAO!!!!!


42 posted on 04/07/2005 3:05:05 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: SaveTheChief
People like this would turn the US Armed Services into a traveling Sodom.

Well, to be fair, wherever the US military sets up bases, brothels and strip clubs quickly follow.

43 posted on 04/07/2005 3:05:38 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: anyone

As a heterosexual, is it still ok too listen too "Air Supply"


EXTREME SARCASM!!!


44 posted on 04/07/2005 3:06:31 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: Sooth2222
"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."

But not necessarily in that order.

45 posted on 04/07/2005 3:07:26 PM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Crackingham
What is the proclivity that would make this young man, a wounded combat vet, announce his sexual orientation tjo the world, knowing full well that it will only serve as fodder for the LEFTISTS to bash his MILITARY!

I don't get it!

46 posted on 04/07/2005 3:07:32 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Enterprise

Said with a lisp " Ya beast, savage!!!"...............


47 posted on 04/07/2005 3:08:08 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: SaveTheChief
I work with a guy who's partner of 10 years is a Petty Officer in the Navy. Apparently the PO hasn't been trying to convert his fellow sailors to "Gaydom".

Some of the comments here are based in bigotry exclusively.

Other posters, like DTogo, make reasoned and thoughtful arguments.

48 posted on 04/07/2005 3:08:19 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Crackingham
""I know a ton of gay men that would be more than willing to stay in the Army if they could just be open," Stout said in an interview with The Associated Press."

Well that's all that is really important. For queers to be able to "just be open". To hell with all the rest.

One freakin sgt. wants to be openly gay and the AP gives him a full blown puff piece. How about an opposing puff piece by an NCO that disagrees.

"At least 24 countries, including Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, Canada and Israel, allow gays to serve openly."

If international acceptance, or acquiescence, is the measure then I suppose they ought to consider that some 165+ nations do NOT allow gays to serve openly.
49 posted on 04/07/2005 3:09:11 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: sofaman

I work with a guy who's partner of 10 years is a Petty Officer in the Navy.


He should be kicked out, those are the rules. Nothing personal, just the rules.


50 posted on 04/07/2005 3:09:44 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: MississippyMuddy

He hasn't been asked..he hasn't told. Those are the rules. As long as he does his job properly, I should care.


51 posted on 04/07/2005 3:12:08 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Zeppelin
I wonder how it would play out, if the closeted homosexuals of the military flaunted their orientations down the streets of Iraq.

I can just picture what would happen if some Muslim saw two male soldiers going at it out in the open.

52 posted on 04/07/2005 3:12:56 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Hillary, Nancy, and Barbara: Proof that there are strong men in the Democrat Party)
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To: HerrKobes
I find it hard to justify keeping openly gay people out of the military.

I disagree, "Don't ask, don't tell" works fine for me. I would rather it be, "Don't do it," but Clinton overruled me.

53 posted on 04/07/2005 3:12:59 PM PDT by GullyFolye (former public school teacher)
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To: Alouette
"But if we have to stay here and hide our lives all the time, it's just not worth it."

Good grief! Did he join the military to defend his country or to have one long gay pride parade shoved in everyone's faces?

54 posted on 04/07/2005 3:14:15 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Hillary, Nancy, and Barbara: Proof that there are strong men in the Democrat Party)
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To: Paul Atreides

The MSM couldn't wait for something like this to happen.


55 posted on 04/07/2005 3:14:39 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Alouette
"But if we have to stay here and hide our lives all the time, it's just not worth it."

Good grief! Did he join the military to defend his country or to have one long gay pride parade shoved in everyone's faces?

56 posted on 04/07/2005 3:16:56 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Hillary, Nancy, and Barbara: Proof that there are strong men in the Democrat Party)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
stay in san francisco I guess you have no gays in your city
57 posted on 04/07/2005 3:23:19 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: sofaman
Next is football...question is, would a gay football player want to be a tight end or a wide receiver? - or as my friend in high school once asked, if Iraq attacked Turkey from the rear, would Greece help?
58 posted on 04/07/2005 3:25:06 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

ROFLMAO


59 posted on 04/07/2005 3:27:48 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: SF Republican

SF Republican wrote:
stay in san francisco I guess you have no gays in your city

No, SF has the gays, santa cruz has the lesbians.


60 posted on 04/07/2005 3:28:27 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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