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Need help / resource recommendations for contract negotiations with a teachers' union. (Vanity)
5/7/2005 | FP

Posted on 04/07/2005 1:45:12 PM PDT by FreedomPoster

An online friend, not on Free Republic, is on his local school board. He's a good, conservative guy, in my dealings with him; the kind of person FReepers want to see on school boards.

Contract negotiations with the teachers union are getting very adversarial. He is feeling a little outgunned, as the union tend to bring in seasoned hardball labor contract negotiators, whereas the school board members are elected regular citizens without much experience in this sort of thing.

I know where he is at, but would prefer to not reveal his location and school district, since I haven't asked his permission to do this.

If any FReepers have any recommendations or links to resources, that would be helpful with this, I would appreciate seeing them.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: contract; educationnews; nea; school; union
Thanks in advance, all.
1 posted on 04/07/2005 1:45:13 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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Tell him to forget it. Cancel school. And take the tax money and refund it to parents in the form of vouchers which they can pay for private schools.


2 posted on 04/07/2005 1:47:53 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second)
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To: FreedomPoster

I would contact the National Right to Work Foundation. They are a nonprofit and have experience with labor law and contracts - I'm sure one of their attorneys would be happy to give your friend some pointers on what to do.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 1:47:58 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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If your school board has the money, they should hire a professional labor negotiations outfit, preferably one with experience in dealing with teachers' unions.

Then you have pros going up against pros while the board members call the shots from down the hall.
4 posted on 04/07/2005 1:49:01 PM PDT by telebob
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Having been through a few of these myself (as chief negotiator), I would be quite amazed if their spokesperson wasn't also just as savvy and seasoned as the union thug from downtown. In fact, I suspect the union thug and their management rep are well acquainted, having done battle many times before. Your friend needs to provide technical (board wishes and policy considerations) advice to the spokesperson, and otherwise shut up.

If, on the other hand, the district has truly left the negotiating to the amateurs, they'll get what they paid for. But I seriously doubt that is the case.

5 posted on 04/07/2005 1:49:35 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: LauraleeBraswell
And take the tax money and refund it to parents in the form of vouchers which they can pay for private schools.

Vouchers are a bad idea...and I'm a homeschooling conservative saying this.

The reason is that federal money, even in the form of vouchers, never comes without regulation. You want to see mandated curriculum for homeschoolers? Move to a voucher program and it's inevitable.

Vouchers would have great benefits, and unintended consequences. Consequently, I oppose them.

6 posted on 04/07/2005 1:59:55 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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Best of luck to your friend. I am a former teacher in a state where either you are union member or you pay them anyway because they negotiate for all school employees. these unions are extremely strong and have a ton of support from both the state and national organization when it comes to negotiating contracts.

I think the best advice has already been given: tell your friend to hire a prefessional labor negotiator. It will save the taxpayers many times the cost of hiring the person if he/she does their job well. Voters could be told that in the local newspaper too! In fact do publish it before the union puts their spin on it.


7 posted on 04/07/2005 2:05:13 PM PDT by freemama
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Vouchers would have great benefits, and unintended consequences. Consequently, I oppose them.

Tuition tax credits would work better.
8 posted on 04/07/2005 2:08:14 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: LauraleeBraswell; Oberon

While that, or Oberon's idea, are what I would prefer, we're working within the constraints of the existing system here.


9 posted on 04/07/2005 2:17:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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I meant cryptical's idea, in the above post.


10 posted on 04/07/2005 2:17:59 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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That would be a great solution! Vouchers are used where I am. Some of the parochial school refuse to take them because there is a clause in the voucher contract that says if a child or his parents disagree with the religion being taught in the school, the child is to be provided with alternative learning. A good parochial school weaves religious teaching throughout all the subjects, so accepting vouchers can be a huge pain for them!


11 posted on 04/07/2005 2:20:28 PM PDT by freemama
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I currently employ approximately forty International Brotherhood of Teamsters members to drive tractor-trailers for our family foodservice distribution company. I have negotiated four seperate agreements with Teamsters over the last twelve years. None of them was easy but we never had a strike or lockout. I did, however, pay out more than I wanted to to get an agreement each time because my family was never really prepared to deal with a strike or lockout.

My point is that unless you are willing to play hardball and have been empowered to do so, the union has all the cards. If your goal is to get an agreement without a strike then you are usually going to lose. If your goal is to give no more than a pre-determined amount then you better be preparted to stick to your guns and suffer a strike if necessary.

as other posters have said, there are professional companies that can help you with this. They are usually expensive but not expensive relative to what you may have to give up should you not use professionals. Incidently, I cannot believe anybody would start worrying about or looking for expertise AFTER the negotiations have begun.

If anybody wants to e-mail me for help or advise on contract negotiations they should feel free to do so.

Freespectfully,

PresidentFelon

cmcfarling@mcfarling.com

12 posted on 04/07/2005 2:54:28 PM PDT by PresidentFelon (Reuters Reporter Adam Entous beats his mother)
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To: PresidentFelon
Gotcha!


13 posted on 04/07/2005 3:41:55 PM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Evening bump.


14 posted on 04/07/2005 6:02:03 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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One last bump for this.


15 posted on 04/08/2005 6:44:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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