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Pope had critics, too
NorthJerseyNewspapers ^ | 04.06.05 | SAMANTHA HENRY and SUZANNE TRAVERS

Posted on 04/07/2005 1:35:08 PM PDT by Coleus

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Yawn, I knew this was coming.

It's just one of those articles where you laugh and just roll your eyes. I knew sooner or later the frustrated liberals in the press trying to be activists instead of reporters and the liberal lay community would start trying to push groups like Call to Action and the Voice of the Faithful which used the scandal as an impetus for the liberal Catholics in the group to push their hidden, Marxist, liberation-theology agenda.

The liberals in the Church and the Press still can not get over their loss in the presidential election and are now hedging towards a John-Kerry like Pope, pushing for one of the more-liberal South American Cardinals to be named a pope ignoring the Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze and other more traditional Cardinals. What they don't know is that even if a liberal cardinal was named, he may speak ill of capitalism but he will not acquiesce with the traditional tenets of the church: abortion, embryonic stem cells, population control, birth control, euthanasia and gay marriage.

The reporters, as usual, failed to note that Call to Action members can be excommunicated and I think some were in Nebraska.

And I have to laugh that the reporters found a democrat, catholic politician who claimed to be a self-described "conservative" Catholic and asked this person questions that the liberals want to hear. The Pope isn't buried and yet they can't keep out their liberal agendas and mouths shut while the world mourns. Shame on all of them.

1 posted on 04/07/2005 1:35:08 PM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 04/07/2005 1:35:45 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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To: Coleus
"In some ways he was very authoritarian,"

Imagine, a Pope being authoritarian...What's Catholicism coming to?

3 posted on 04/07/2005 1:40:42 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Coleus

I'll point out that every time there is a poll of the "majority of American Catholics" they never say whether their sample achieves the minimum level of Catholicity: (1) Do you attend Sunday Mass regularly and (2) If you are married, are you married in the Church?


4 posted on 04/07/2005 1:42:15 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: ArrogantBustard; cyborg; fortunecookie; onyx; Happygal; SoothingDave
Pope had critics, too


5 posted on 04/07/2005 1:42:44 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Coleus

"...polls show..."

My favorite. Polls are a bunch of horse manure and all the arguments that are backed by "polls show" are bunk.


6 posted on 04/07/2005 1:43:24 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Just because you put lipstick on a pig doesn't mean it smells any better.)
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lol!!!! greatest pic ever.


7 posted on 04/07/2005 1:43:56 PM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: Coleus
Even self-described "conservative Catholics," such as Clifton City Councilwoman Gloria Kolodziej, said they would support the ordination of women and married priests in order to resupply the ranks

A quick google shows she is a democrat, what a shock!!!!

The Inside Edge | PoliticsNJ.com, New Jersey's Online Political ... ... member ROBERT YUDIN and Washington Township Councilwoman JANET SOBKOWICZ. ... Clifton Mayor GLORIA KOLODZIEJ, a Democrat who ran as an Independent, ...

8 posted on 04/07/2005 1:44:54 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Coleus

Obviously any person in public life in any kind of leadership role will have critics. I'm not Catholic so I don't know as much about the internal church doctrines and so forth, but one thing about this article and others like it is clear: The media couldn't wait to start pointing out the Pope's critics, as though the very existence of critics proves their criticisms well-founded. I also saw that Bill Clinton said that the Pope has a "mixed legacy" just like "many of us." That's just a case of him wanting company and wanting to once again try to whitewash and sugarcoat his own deeds as though he can be mentioned in the same category as the Pope.


9 posted on 04/07/2005 1:45:05 PM PDT by VRWCisme
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Man.
They can't even wait til he's buried.
Disgraceful.


10 posted on 04/07/2005 1:47:06 PM PDT by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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The Pope, should have handled the molestation fiasco with more authority than he did. He, in some ways , protected these vile animals that abused innocent children, by allowing them too be sent too other Parishes without telling anyone what they had done. This is unbearable, and I will never back down on this issue. I do understand also that we all sin and do wrong, so I am no better than anyone else. I must therefore forgive the Pope for his inactions and I never wished him any malice, he did a great many things. Be well Your Holiness, may your soul find rest in the next realm of life.

Jeff


11 posted on 04/07/2005 1:47:14 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: Coleus
The more the left speaks about how they didn't like Pope John Paul II the more sorrowful and saddened I am by his passing. This man was a giant to be reckoned with...
12 posted on 04/07/2005 1:49:17 PM PDT by frogjerk
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I haven't seen an article on this, but did anyone see Fonda on Larry King last night where she said that the first thing Ted Turner told her on the first date they went on was that he had lots of friends that were communists, that he was a supporter of Castro and visited Cuba several times and she said she found it so endearing?

I mean come on, how is this not front page news?


13 posted on 04/07/2005 1:50:14 PM PDT by NoJoke
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To: Coleus

Jesus Christ had his critics as well.


14 posted on 04/07/2005 1:50:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Coleus
pushing for one of the more-liberal South American Cardinals to be named a pope ignoring the Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze and other more traditional Cardinals.

If Cardinal Arinze is elected to be the next Pope I wonder how long it will be before the Libs call him an Uncle Tom?

15 posted on 04/07/2005 1:51:55 PM PDT by frogjerk
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The Pope, should have handled the molestation fiasco with more authority than he did. >>

Oh, he put the bishops in their place once he found out the gravity of the situation, remember he can't micromanage everything that goes on in the world like the POTUS can't micromanage who puts underwear on some prisoner's head in Iraq or what goes on at your local social security office... The pope read the bishops the riot act and put them in their place, subsequently a lot of new changes and reforms are in place.
16 posted on 04/07/2005 1:52:24 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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To: onyx

I heard Bill Donahue on Hannity the other day. He said to expect this and far worse.


17 posted on 04/07/2005 1:52:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: frogjerk
If Cardinal Arinze is elected to be the next Pope I wonder how long it will be before the Libs call him an Uncle Tom?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was mentioned prior to the conclave, in a rhetorical preemptive strike.

18 posted on 04/07/2005 1:54:06 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Coleus

Liberals. If you don't believe what the Church teaches then go form your own church just like the gazillion protestant sects did.


19 posted on 04/07/2005 1:54:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: MississippyMuddy

Pedastery cases shrank more than 90% between 1981 and 1994, before the press even got wind of the problem. The incidence rate was lower in 1994 than in the 1950s -- and that 1950s rate is probably only as low as it was because most of those pederasts are dead now, so there is no-one to accuse.

What you perceive of as inaction was apparently very effective subtlety. But there was nothing subtle about his condemnation of such abuses when he came to America in 1996 and publicly eviscerated the American episcopacy for tolerating abuse.


20 posted on 04/07/2005 1:55:41 PM PDT by dangus
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