Posted on 04/06/2005 11:53:06 AM PDT by Electrowoman
Flag shouldn't be lowered for pope, group says
By Matt Pommer April 6, 2005
An anti-religion group is denouncing Gov. Jim Doyle's executive order to lower flags to mark the death of Pope John Paul II.
Doyle's directive appears like "an endorsement of Roman Catholicism over other religious viewpoints," according to the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
On Saturday, the governor praised the pope as both an inspiration spiritual leader and a man who has made "a significant impact on social justice." Doyle cited the pope's fight against communism, his opening of dialogue with other faiths, and his fight for peace around the world.
The governor's office today noted President Bush had directed that flags be lowered to half-staff at all public buildings. The governor's directive matches the president's order.
Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, saw the pope in a different light from the governor.
"The pope was the world's leading sexist," Gaylor said in a statement issued today. "Why should Wisconsin women be expected to revere his anti-woman, antediluvian teachings?" The pope also had been critical of gay marriages, the statement noted.
"Let's reserve the honor of half-staff for true American heroes," Gaylor said.
On Monday, the Freedom From Religion Foundation issued a lengthy criticism entitled "the pope has no vestments." That statement assailed his position against abortion, contraception, sterilization, women's rights, divorce, stem cell research and gay rights.
"Sure, he finally admitted Galileo should not have been condemned by the church, some 350 years too late," the foundation's statement said.
"True, he opposed capital punishment, as most freethinkers do. But think of the capital punishment, slaughters, the witch-burning, purges, tortures and inquisitions committed by the Roman Catholic Church and its followers through history."
That's probably what they have in mind, underneath it all.
Ping to self for later pingout.
I'd looove to get an example of what this POS thinks of as a true American hero.
Liberace?
"The pope was the world's leading sexist," Gaylor said in a statement issued today. "Why should Wisconsin women be expected to revere his anti-woman, antediluvian teachings?"
Funny that someone complaining about religion would use a term with a religious basis such as "antediluvian".
Makes you wonder if he would complain about lowering the flag for REVEREND Martin Luther King, Jr.
I took the original post to mean that people are naturally born religious. I don't believe that's the case, as the religion I had came through indoctrination. I of course made a choice for myself when I grew up.
I'd looove to get an example of what this POS thinks of as a true American hero. Liberace?
More likely, Rosie O'Donnell
again?
I'm co-president of the Who Gives a Rat's Backside What Laurie Gaylor Thinks (To Use the Term "Thinks" in the Broadest Possible Sense) Foundation, and lowering the flag is just fine with me.
No, back then (1968?)
No actually, the purpose of the bogus 'separation of church and state' is to take the two very different types of law established by the Founders (natural law / positive law) into one *generic* type of law controlled, of course by the 'legal' system, and consequently the government.
The two different types of law, along with their two corresponding types of *PERSONS* were established for a reason.... it is what gives us our *Republican* form of government.
Sadly, hardly anyone realizes it anymore.
Black's Law Dictionary ;
"natural person" : A human being, as distinguished from an artificial person created by law.
"artificial person" : An entity, such as a corporation, created by law and given certain legal rights and duties of a human being.
From law.com
natural person
A living, breathing human being, as opposed to a legal entity such as a corporation. Different rules and protections apply to natural persons and corporations, such as the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, which applies only to natural persons. (Emphasis of ‘legal entity’ mine)
Natural law, or the 'Law of Nature and natures God" is for the people.
From law.com
natural law
n. 1) standards of conduct derived from traditional moral principles (first mentioned by Roman jurists in the first century A.D.) and/or God's law and will. The biblical Ten Commandments, such as "thou shall not kill," are often included in those principles. Natural law assumes that all people believe in the same Judeo-Christian God and thus share an understanding of natural law premises.
2) the body of laws derived from nature and reason, embodied in the Declaration of Independence assertion that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
3) the opposite of "positive law," which is created by mankind through the state.
God's laws (a.k.a. the Decalogue) was actually two sets of laws. The first were between man and God.
The second were between men. Or as Noah Webster said;
The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.
These laws are crimes not only when one person commits them on another person, but also if government commits them on a person.
Positive, statutory, or man made law is for governments, and other legal entities:
positive law
n. statutory man-made law, as compared to "natural law," which is purportedly based on universally accepted moral principles, "God's law," and/or derived from nature and reason.
From Nolo.com:
Legal Entity
The term legal entity implies that a public limited liability company or foundation can be (fully independent of the management) the bearer of rights and liabilities, the management merely represents the legal entity.
Congratulations, we ARE 'management'!
"Funny that someone complaining about religion would use a term with a religious basis such as "antediluvian"."
Good catch! I'm betting the idiot doesn't know the meaning...
Fair enough
My typing skills aren't the greatest, so I DO tend to go for brevity over clarity at times. :)
I was gonna say the same thing. Thanks
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