I'm not impressed unless they are hooked like fish, through the lips.
Also, why not try blow torches on their digits. Remember the Roman general who burnt his arm to the toughness of the Romans.
33 posted on 04/06/2005 12:09:45 PM PDT by cliff630
(cliff630 (Didn't Pilate ask Christ, "What is the Truth." Even while looking in the face of TRUTH))