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To: betty boop
The Framers never regarded "the People" as an abstraction, but as real flesh-and-blood individual human beings

Good point. Rousseau's "general will" of the people did precisely view "the people" as an abstraction, almost like a force of nature. And while their "will" was supposed to reign supreme, he made it clear that it was entirely possible for individuals to be alienated from knowing their true will, in which case the ruler would have to act in their true interest, even against their will.

"The people", for Rousseau, was a philosophical concept, not any living person or collection of people necessarily.

This is very different from Locke and Jefferson, for whom the people were, as you say, flesh and blood individual people.

551 posted on 04/09/2005 8:59:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Interesting that the attack on Jefferson is growing in intensity and is moving down into the school system. He would have been one of the most moral practical men of his day when it was the fashion to be moral and practical, and for that reason alone would have to be destroyed now if the idea of America is to be deconstructed. We will have to gear up if we expect to counter.


554 posted on 04/09/2005 9:12:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; RightWhale
Rousseau's "general will" of the people did precisely view "the people" as an abstraction, almost like a force of nature. And while their "will" was supposed to reign supreme, he made it clear that it was entirely possible for individuals to be alienated from knowing their true will, in which case the ruler would have to act in their true interest, even against their will.

Thank you, oh so very much, dear marron, for this excellent, succinct description of the doctrine of the "General Will!"

It is a free ticket to ride for any ambitious, would-be tyrant, a complete justification for tyranny.

575 posted on 04/10/2005 10:04:13 AM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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