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To: AntiGuv
Similarly, the Tao of Taoism is not predicated by a godhead, nor is it contingent upon a godhead.

Mere semantics here, my dear man. Taoism stands or falls by the question of whether there exists a preexistent truth by which it can qualify its observations and researches in terms of a truthful standard -- an infallible standard of "measurememt" is what we'looking for here. IMHO. But the very name of truth in historical human culture has ever tended to be: God. (Go figure.)

And I, a student of human history and culture (for whatever that's worth) would be very surprised to learn that "orthodox" Taoism construes this problem otherwise.

In general, I find fewer "confrontations/contradictions" with Eastern philosophical modes than I do with those of the Western "secular humanist kind," these days.

FWIW. ZZZzzzzzz.....

162 posted on 04/06/2005 10:17:12 PM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: betty boop

I didn't even Taoism; I just described it.

The difference is that I described it accurately and you did not.


164 posted on 04/06/2005 10:18:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: betty boop
Opps! Make that: I didn't invent Taoism (and it's properly transliterated Daoism, BTW).
165 posted on 04/06/2005 10:19:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: betty boop

And, might I add, it is not mere semantics. Taoism was a very clearly articulated spiritual system, as were all these others. If you simply wave your hands and say, "Whatever whoever considered Truth was God" then indeed everyone agreed that "God is Truth" as you presume. The fact of the matter is that most non-Judaic systems left the question of the ultimate Truth quite open, unlike Judaic systems which pretend that it is not. In general, the ultimate Truth was a pure unknown that one could merely hope to uncover on a visceral level, without any presupposition as to what that might be. The Judaic solution - also preserved by Christianity and Islam - is simply to wave the question away and pretend it doesn't exist. The question might be framed: "Where did God come from?"


167 posted on 04/06/2005 10:26:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: betty boop
But the very name of truth in historical human culture has ever tended to be: God.

And this, is absolutely false.

168 posted on 04/06/2005 10:28:24 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: betty boop
And, here is an abridged description of Daoism as I condensed for a website I once had online (regarding pantheism):

A key feature of Chinese world perception, the spectral qi force weaved erratically through the cosmos as the vital essence and breath of life which became the Supreme Path of Dao. ... Existence appeared as a dynamic movement of perpetual change, a space-time continuum of fluid energy in which man and beast, meadows, forests, rocks, mountains, clouds, rain, wind, river, and sea were all indissolubly merged. Nothing was because everything was in the process of becoming. Effectively, the reader who reaches the end of this sentence is no longer the same being as the reader who began reading. ... All the elements are in a continuing state of undulation. When one advances, another must retreat. When one contracts, another expands. There is no active without a corresponding passive, not positive without a compensating negative. ... The passive Yin and active Yang epitomized the opposing yet complementary cosmic forces that perpetuate the universe in a chain of permutations that propel qi along the Supreme Path.

And that's Daoism at its most basic right there. If you want to personify the qi then go right ahead, but the Chinese didn't.

177 posted on 04/06/2005 10:45:46 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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