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To: cornelis
And so we become human exactly at the point when we say that nature is wrong.

Herein lies another fallacy, this time one of linguistics. The terms "incorrect" and "correct" (as I use them) refer to statements of fact. 2 + 2 = 5 is incorrect.

Right and wrong refer to moral judgements. Therefore we can say both that murdering a man to steal is money is wrong (bad morals) and correct if in fact it happens (factually correct). Your argument would fall into the "artifially narrow perception of reality" error mode in my first post. Reality does not equate to matter or dimension or the science thereof. All that is a subset of reality, but there is more to reality than just that. For example, if a spiritual plane exists, then it is part of reality as well. Just because you cannot prove it or do not believe it is irrelevant to whether it is or not.

107 posted on 04/06/2005 7:08:57 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: lafroste
I'm glad you clarified that you were speaking of mathematical reality when you claimed that reality is never incorrect.

Overlap of usage is a historical phenomenon, a matter of fact, I suppose, and not a fallacy: 2 + 2 = 6. No sir, your answer is wrong!

But you make a good distinction, what they like to call the fact-value distinction.

132 posted on 04/06/2005 7:46:29 PM PDT by cornelis
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