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Health care tax to target big employers
The Baltimore Sun ^ | April 6, 2005 | David Nitkin

Posted on 04/06/2005 9:56:44 AM PDT by RebelBanker

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To: the Real fifi

One Supercenter just opened in Harford Co., one is scheduled to open in Cecil in July along with a regular Wal-Mart store in Cecil. The supercenter is virtually on the MD/DE line (but in MD). The closest supercenters prior to these openings are in PA and DE - about 45 miles distant.

I have no idea what the lawmakers are trying to do here - these stores are bringing additional jobs and additional sales tax and income tax revenue into the state. I know the group from around DC cringe at the thought of Walmart entering their territory, but to impose a "tax" that is targeted at one retailer is rather short-sighted, IMHO.

Time to get on the phone ...


21 posted on 04/06/2005 10:28:32 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: KevinDavis

Kill the Medicaid program, which amounts to corporate welfare for any employer who has Medicaid recipients on their payroll, and I'm right there with you.


22 posted on 04/06/2005 10:40:30 AM PDT by Charlotte Corday (Freedom’s like ice-cream—can’t go wrong with it.)
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To: traviskicks

Why should competing retailers be forced to help keep Wal-Mart's prices down by paying taxes to support the medicaid program?


23 posted on 04/06/2005 10:43:43 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Protagoras

I stand corrected!

Maybe I should have stated it this way?

"Socialism, whether by government decree, or government sponsorship, is fascism."


24 posted on 04/06/2005 10:47:38 AM PDT by Bigh4u2
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To: Charlotte Corday; All

I agree with you.. Kill medicaid..


25 posted on 04/06/2005 10:48:30 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Bigh4u2
That's when you see the most generosity-- when it is with other people's money.

I had a government job where my boss arranged for his staff to be very well paid per hour of work. I can be pretty sure that he would not have been quite as generous if it had been a private partnership and our pay had come out his partnership share of earnings. He might have paid us as much, but he would have granted us less vacation time than the government organization granted us and we would have had to work with greater intensity.

This observation does not mean anything negative about anyone, it is just an observation on human nature and incentives. It is so much easier to be generous with someone else's money, particularly when they are taxpayers or rich people.

26 posted on 04/06/2005 11:06:33 AM PDT by Montfort (The Democrat Party -- The Party of Death)
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To: Uncle Fud

Why should competing retailers be forced to help keep Wal-Mart's prices down by paying taxes to support the medicaid program?
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The fault lies with the medicaid program, not Wallmart. Any company has a right to take full advantage of all aspects of the law to get an advantage on its competitor. Taxpayers should be outraged that people on medicaid are working at wallmart and demand it be abolished. This is another example of a failed welfare policy.

Wallmart will then have to either offer health care, or the workers will go to a job that does offer it, or will choose not to have health care or rely on some other charitable org.


27 posted on 04/06/2005 11:21:33 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: oceanview
its a hell of alot more efficient for us as consumers to pay a few cents more per item so that these workers can get a health plan as part of their compensation

It'll never happen. Wal-Mart will push them all into part-timers if they have too.

If you don't like the government paying for some freeloader's health care - then get Congress to stop paying for it!

our party needs to wake up regarding what is happening with health care in the US - private employers are dumping their plans everywhere you turn.

Because of increased costs due to government regulation. The solution is to remove government regulation and interference from the health-care *BUSINESS*!

Why is that you liberals always attack the symptoms rather than the causes?

28 posted on 04/06/2005 11:23:06 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

you're right, it will never happen.

what's more likely to happen is that these workers who don't get health benefits will either go onto medicaid (as they do today), and we will pay as taxpayers. or once there is enough of them to elect Hillary, she will put national health care on all of us.

this is the price you are going to pay to save walmart a few dollars. a real good deal you are asking us to buy into.


29 posted on 04/06/2005 11:55:44 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
what's more likely to happen is that these workers who don't get health benefits will either go onto medicaid (as they do today), and we will pay as taxpayers. or once there is enough of them to elect Hillary, she will put national health care on all of us.

Giving up already? Then go joint the DUmmies.

this is the price you are going to pay to save walmart a few dollars. a real good deal you are asking us to buy into.

Hey, dumbass, WAKE UP! Wal-Mart won't pay for this, you will.

This BS, unconstitutional, liberal-feelgood, anti-business legislation will not stop at Wal-Mart and I fully support Wal-Mart's tactics in fighting it. Not only will they protecting their own business interests, they will be protecting mine as well - VIVA, Wal-Mart!

p.s. If you don't like capitalism, just try doing without it.

30 posted on 04/06/2005 12:09:17 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Eventually it will be the corporations begging the government to institute HillaryCare, to take it out of their hands.


31 posted on 04/06/2005 12:10:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: balrog666

watch your language. anyone can curse on here, its real easy to type.

We are already paying for it - through medicaid, and through national health care if it comes to pass. Its alot cheaper to have walmart pay for it and raise the prices on a few of their items to cover it, along with other businesses.


32 posted on 04/06/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: dfwgator

that's where it heading, because people on our side just like to scream "capitalism" and not try to actually address the problem.


33 posted on 04/06/2005 12:14:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: RebelBanker
The measure would affect one corporation, retailing behemoth Wal-Mart Stores Inc

Looks like a bill of attainder.

34 posted on 04/06/2005 12:19:08 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: oceanview
private employers are dumping their plans everywhere you turn. those workers will increasingly be receptive to a government run plan - and Hillary 2008 will only be too happy to give them one in exchange for their vote

You are confusing cause and effect.

Once LBJ got government into the healthcare business with Medicaid this development was inevitable.

By making a product cheap (medical care) LBJ increased the effective demand for that product.

Since effective demand outstripped supply the price went up year after year.

Now what used to be a relatively minor corporate benefit has turned into a major cost of doing business. So of course employers are going to try to cut or eliminate that major cost.

I don't care if Maryland requires Walmart store managers to pray to Mecca at 11 AM every morning and donate 5% of proceeds to Hezbollah--but you need to understand that for each action by the legislature there will be a reaction in the marketplace.

(The reason I don't care is that I would love to see MD legislatures do something stupid like that so they could be driven from office like the scoundrels they are. :-) )
35 posted on 04/06/2005 12:20:26 PM PDT by cgbg (Fire the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund with no money in it!)
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To: dfwgator
Eventually it will be the corporations begging the government to institute HillaryCare, to take it out of their hands.

Well, it *should* be out of the corporations' hands. I don't expect my employer to pay for my car, there's no reason they should pay for my health insurance either. It's just that government intrusions have made it impractical for individuals to easily get coverage.

36 posted on 04/06/2005 12:22:17 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: 1Peter3v14

THEY earned their money in a family-run business.

It's theirs to do with as THEY wish, and not as the duly elected shills of the People's Republic of Maryland see fit. .


37 posted on 04/06/2005 12:29:42 PM PDT by Salgak ((don't mind me, the Orbital Mind Control Lasers are making me write this. . . . FNORD!!))
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To: 1Peter3v14
That is not the point. The point is government injecting penalties (not just on Wally World) which will lead to higher prices for the consumer.

You embrace "through the back door" socialism?
38 posted on 04/06/2005 12:36:37 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: oceanview
watch your language. anyone can curse on here, its real easy to type.

I was trying to get your attention and make you think rather than type another kneejerk response.

We are already paying for it - through medicaid, and through national health care if it comes to pass.

Then change the law and quit paying for it.

Its alot cheaper to have walmart pay for it and raise the prices on a few of their items to cover it, along with other businesses.

Get government out of the health-care business and they will have to pay for it.

Is that really too difficult for you to understand?

39 posted on 04/06/2005 12:37:51 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: oceanview
that's where it heading, because people on our side just like to scream "capitalism" and not try to actually address the problem.

You are addressing the symptom, not the disease, and that is destined for failure.

40 posted on 04/06/2005 12:38:54 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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