To: DaveTesla
Thanks for the quotes Friend, and I will save some of them as I know they are true quotes, with the exception of that one by Madison, which cant be verified.
>I believe the quote was not made out of carelessness
as you seem to imply.<
Believe it all you want, but it doesnt appear that it can be verified.
But you dont seem to be understanding what I am trying to convey to you, Friend.
Granted there are people with an anti-Christian agenda here, who try to discredit quotes on that basis. Anti-gun people try to do the same thing
But citing a bogus quote only serves to discredit the rest of a message, even if a person is unintentionally repeating a made-up quote.
The people who research the founders speeches, and writings for a living, arent trying to discredit quotes out of bias.
Take for example this quote (below); attributed to George Washington:
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master.
Is it verifiable? No
. and I have it on my FR home page
Heres what the experts say about that quote:
"Attributed to George Washington.Frank J. Wilstach, A Dictionary of Similes, 2d ed., p. 526 (1924).
This can be found with minor variations in wording and in punctuation, and with fearful for troublesome, in George Seldes, The Great Quotations, p. 727 (1966). Unverified. In his most recent book of quotations, The Great Thoughts (1985), Seldes Says, p. 441, col. 2, footnote, this paragraph although credited to the 'Farewell' [address] cannot be found in it.
Lawson Hamblin, who owns a facsimile, and Horace Peck, America's foremost authority on quotations, informed me this paragraph is apocryphal [fake]."
Now, FRiend; those people have researched that quote
and concluded from their research that it is bogus.
Does my believing it make it real? NO!
Is it an excellent quote? YES! Its EXCELLENT! And as for James Madisons quote its a great quote, but out of HONESTY, it needs to be acknowledged that it cant be verified.
Regards
515 posted on
04/07/2005 11:44:27 PM PDT by
FBD
To: FBD
I believe the quote was not made out of carelessness."
"as you seem to imply".
I am stating that the quote can be found on the law web of
Cornell Law school, was on the Harvard Law site and in the
Library of Congress's publications. If that isn't
reasonable due diligence what is?
Believe it all you want, but it doesn'tt appear
that it can be verified.
Where did I state that I believed the quote was TRUE?
As for the verification I never argued one way or another.
There is plenty of other documented sources of evidence to
support the same opinion of the founding forefathers.
If one leaf of a tree appears to be dying should we cut
down the whole tree?
That's what I saw when the Harvard site was pulled.
Score another point for the suppression of history by the
secular atheist.
517 posted on
04/08/2005 12:37:40 AM PDT by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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